You know when Roy Jones fought all those bums....

[IMDAZED]

Its the way it is. Nunn, Toney etc all had succesfull careers as well, but people will still call them underachievers due to thier exceptional talent

What about Tarver 3 and G.Johnson?

What about it? Did he fight scared? Sure. So did Shane Mosley against Vernon Forrest the second time.

Jones has a tough fight with Griffin - gives an immediate rematch

Has a tough fight with Tarver - gives an immediate rematch

Gets KTFO in back to back fights, takes a year off and jumps RIGHT back in the ring against Tarver. And we're criticizing him for fighting scared.

Yeah, with standards like that it's no wonder Jones gets a bad rap . If only guys like Oscar, Calzaghe, Pac and Floyd were so bold.

[Toney616]

Yeah, Benn and Eubank. Those guys were in such a rush to fight Jones.

Eubank did make him a offer in 96, but Jones turned him down saying you are no good to me now you have lost to Collins twice

The reason Benn took the McClellan fight was because he was promised a shot at Jones from King. Jones says that he couldnt fight Benn because King wanted options.

Especially since they proved they were the best when they stepped in the ring against Toney and handed him his ass.

Toney admits himself that the winner of Jones-Toney supposed to fight the winner of Benn-McClellan. For the record I think Benn would of prefered to fight Jones over Toney. Sky was hoping the last fight on his contract would be against Toney, but Eubank was in no real rush to fight him either,

[IMDAZED]

Eubank did make him a offer in 96, but Jones turned him down saying you are no good to me now you have lost to Collins twice

Eubank was offered a fight by HBO and turned it down. And...?

The reason Benn took the McClellan fight was because he was promised a shot at Jones from King. Jones says that he couldnt fight Benn because King wanted options.

No, he offered Benn a fight and King wanted options. Let's try and rephrase better here. Why didn't Benn tell his promoter to just get him the fight? Hate in ya blood, cuz-o

Toney admits himself that the winner of Jones-Toney supposed to fight the winner of Benn-McClellan. For the record I think Benn would of prefered to fight Jones over Toney. Sky was hoping the last fight on his contract would be against Toney, but Eubank was in no real rush to fight him either.

All of these guys you mentioned expressed reservation about fighting Jones. And Toney was in the 168lb division before he fought Jones so they could've easily fought. Unless King wanted options there too.

[Toney616]

What about it? Did he fight scared? Sure. So did Shane Mosley against Vernon Forrest the second time.

Im just telling you how I see it.

Jones has a tough fight with Griffin - gives an immediate rematch

Griffin gave him the rematch

Has a tough fight with Tarver - gives an immediate rematch

True, but his hands were kind of tied with that one. Think of the public backlash if he didnt

Gets KTFO in back to back fights, takes a year off and jumps RIGHT back in the ring against Tarver. And we're criticizing him for fighting scared.

What was the point of jumping back in the ring with Tarver, he wasnt there to win?

Yeah, with standards like that it's no wonder Jones gets a bad rap . If only guys like Oscar, Calzaghe, Pac and Floyd were so bold.[

If only

[THE REED]

Its the way it is. Nunn, Toney etc all had succesfull careers as well, but people will still call them underachievers due to thier exceptional talent

What about Tarver 3 and G.Johnson?

Wtf about it?

[THE REED]

What about it? Did he fight scared? Sure. So did Shane Mosley against Vernon Forrest the second time.

Jones has a tough fight with Griffin - gives an immediate rematch

Has a tough fight with Tarver - gives an immediate rematch

Gets KTFO in back to back fights, takes a year off and jumps RIGHT back in the ring against Tarver. And we're criticizing him for fighting scared.

Yeah, with standards like that it's no wonder Jones gets a bad rap . If only guys like Oscar, Calzaghe, Pac and Floyd were so bold.

Fucking exactly.

stfu with all this bull****

[IMDAZED]

True, but his hands were kind of tied with that one. Think of the public backlash if he didnt

GTFOH! Like that stopped all those other people I mentioned. Negro please!!

What was the point of jumping back in the ring with Tarver, he wasnt there to win?

When did he tell you he wasn't there to win? He was coming on strong in the latter rounds before he got wobbled. And even then he was coming forward and trying for the KO. So uhh...just no!

If only

No public backlash there!

[Toney616]

Eubank was offered a fight by HBO and turned it down. And...?

That's not true(I hope you are not talking about the Brannon talk)

Eubank called out Roy around 1996

http://www.ea$tsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4223&more=1
http://www.setanta.com/Documents/podcasts/BBH_290109.m p 3
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Eubank:Jones didnt want to fight me

Before Eubank met Collins, there was speculation about multi-million pound fights against his former rival, Nigel Benn, and the current sensation of American boxing, Roy Jones, but since losing to Collins both those lucrative avenues dried up.
"Eubank is no good to me because he has now lost twice," said Jones recently.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-eubank-announces-retirement-as-pressure-builds-up-1578117.html

No, he offered Benn a fight and King wanted options. Let's try and rephrase better here.

1995-02-25

Nigel Benn:[ I have to fight Roy jones to class myself as the best[5:16]
Don King: Then we will go after Roy like I promised you[ 5:25]

Why didn't Benn tell his promoter to just get him the fight? Hate in ya blood, cuz-o

1995-07-22[

Commentatoer:The one guy you would really like to fight would be Roy Jones, but that going to be a hard fight to make politically
Benn:Please king, Warren, HBO- please make the fight happen

All of these guys you mentioned expressed reservation about fighting Jones. And Toney was in the 168lb division before he fought Jones so they could've easily fought.

Doesnt mean they didnt want to fight him, see clips above

Unless King wanted options there too.

Benn wouldnt sign with King until early 1994. As I said before Toney said himself that the winner of Benn-McClellan supposed to fight the winner of Toney-Jones.

[IMDAZED]

That's not true(I hope you are not talking about the Brannon talk)

http://www.ea$tsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4223&more=1
http://www.setanta.com/Documents/podcasts/BBH_290109.m p 3
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Eubank:Jones didnt want to fight me

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-eubank-announces-retirement-as-pressure-builds-up-1578117.html

1995-02-25

Nigel Benn:[ I have to fight Roy jones to class myself as the best[5:16]
Don King: Then we will go after Roy like I promised you[ 5:25]

1995-07-22[

Commentatoer:The one guy you would really like to fight would be Roy Jones, but that going to be a hard fight to make politically
Benn:Please king, Warren, HBO- please make the fight happen

Doesnt mean they didnt want to fight him, see clips above

Benn wouldnt sign with King until early 1994. As I said before Toney said himself that the winner of Benn-McClellan supposed to fight the winner of Toney-Jones.

None of what you're saying changes anything. What is your point?

That Jones fought the best opponent at 168 and they didn't? Well, you're right.

That their efforts to get Jones in the ring were feeble at best? (ie. call out on TV). Well, you're right.

[Toney616]

GTFOH! Like that stopped all those other people I mentioned. Negro please!!

He was given a gift, Tarver won their first fight

When did he tell you he wasn't there to win?

I got that impression when Jones spent rounds poking out his tongue and laughing to himself while the cowd was booing

He was coming on strong in the latter rounds before he got wobbled. And even then he was coming forward and trying for the KO. So uhh...just no!

How many rounds did you give him in tarver III?

No public backlash there!

What fights did they get gifts and refused to give rematches. Mayweather clearly got a gift against Castillo, but gave a rematch. Calzaghe beat Hopkins fair and square- so he didnt have to give old bhop a rematch