Serious question..does balomire get discredited just cause floyd beat him??

[Dave Rado]

The extra stuff is irrelevant. We cant blame Floyd for Baldi beating Judah.

Baldi was the WBC and Ring Number #1 WW. He did what he had to do to earn his shot.

You're missing the point. There was nothing wrong with Floyd fighting Boldomir. What was wrong was that he didn't then defend his title against any of the top contenders, at least four of whom were better than Boldomir. And what's even more wrong is people like the TS trying to make Boldomir out to be more than a journeyman who got lucky.

[jrosales13]

I honestly have never seen Baldi mentioned as a great fighter. Not one time on here.

Not saying anybody did. What I am saying he is in a David Diaz level fighter.

It was reasonable for Floyd to take the fight because of the fact it was for the lineal title. But to say it was a good win is ridiculous. Boldomir was and is a journeyman.

And, this^^^^^^^^^ is what I mean by trying to make that win better than what it really is.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You're missing the point. There was nothing wrong with Floyd fighting Boldomir. What was wrong was that he didn't then defend his title against any of the top contenders, at least four of whom were better than Boldomir. And what's even more wrong is people like the TS trying to make Boldomir out to be more than a journeyman who got lucky.

I never seen Baldi mentioned as a great fighter. He wasnt. He was an average fighter who propelled himself into the Number 1 WW seat the old fashion way.

Dave.

Lets stop for a second here. Did you honestly just say it was wrong to fight Oscar De LeHoya in one of boxing biggest fights ever? Because essentially from the bolded is what I got from that.

Floyd made it clear that he was only moving up to make an Oscar De LeHoya fight a reality. I wont knock him for making an Oscar fight. Thats crazy.

[warp1432]

Baldomir did not get lucky against Zab for the record. Also Baldy ranks above diaz in my book because he won a lineal title and Diaz has never beat a prime fighter in the ranks of Judah (well besides the amateurs).

Comparison's to Diaz are valid though I suppose. Both definitely the weakest opponents Floyd and Pacquiao have fought in the last 4 years. Well debatable. I might argue that Baldomir was a better win then Judah, actually he was.

[Dave Rado]

A Journeyman who also was the Ring Number 1 WW and the WBC Number 1 WW.

It was a good win. Floyd beat the Number 1 fighter in his weight class. No matter how you spin it. What is a bad win because Baldi wasnt Sugra Ray Leonard? Come on man.

He earned his shot. Please dont make me post all the articles of fighters like Marg, Cintron and Williams picking Baldi. Or other respected writers picking Baldi.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It was a good win. Baldi fought hard all 12 rounds. He didnt come in the ring and lay down.

Doesn't matter how much you try to spin it, you're still completely missing the point. He was the lineal champion for one whole fight, as a result of a lucky win. He was a journeyman who just got lucky. Floyd had to fight him because he was the lineal champion. Lots of mediocre fighters have been lineal champions for one fight. Doesn't prevent them being mediocre fighters. But to call it a good win is ridiculous. It was an important win, in the sense that it gave Floyd the lineal crown. But he was not a good fighter, and it was not a good win other than in the sense that it gave Floyd the lineal crown - which unfortunately he then failed to defend even once, despite the fact that there were several Welterweights at the time who were much better fighters than Boldomir.

[Dave Rado]

I never seen Baldi mentioned as a great fighter. He wasnt. He was an average fighter who propelled himself into the Number 1 WW seat the old fashion way.

Dave.

Lets stop for a second here. Did you honestly just say it was wrong to fight Oscar De LeHoya in one of boxing biggest fights ever? Because essentially from the bolded is what I got from that.

Floyd made it clear that he was only moving up to make an Oscar De LeHoya fight a reality. I wont knock him for making an Oscar fight. Thats crazy.

The De La Hoya fight would have been okay if he had then defended his lineal title against a top contender. Even the Hatton fight would have been just about okay if he had then defended his lineal title against a top contender. But to fight those two and then "retire", when he had won the lineal title against a mediocre fighter, and when there were at least four Welterweights at the time who were far better than Boldomir, was inexcusable.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Doesn't matter how much you try to spin it, you're still completely missing the point. He was the lineal champion for one whole fight, as a result of a lucky win. He was a journeyman who just got lucky. Floyd had to fight him because he was the lineal champion. Lots of mediocre fighters have been lineal champions for one fight. Doesn't prevent them being mediocre fighters. But to call it a good win is ridiculous. It was an important win, in the sense that it gave Floyd the lineal crown. But he was not a good fighter, and it was not a good win other than in the sense that it gave Floyd the lineal crown - which unfortunately he then failed to defend even once, despite the fact that there were several Welterweights at the time who were much better fighters than Boldomir.

I seen this said like 4 times now. Why do you keep saying "Lucky"?

Did you watch the Baldi-Judah fight? He beat him fair and square. There was nothing lucky about it. I thought you meant lucky as in the situation he was in. But lucky for beating Judah? I disagree 100%.

Then on this:

"it gave Floyd the lineal crown - which unfortunately he then failed to defend even once, despite the fact that there were several Welterweights at the time who were much better fighters than Boldomir."

Floyd won the title from Baldi. So I dont get why you say there were more deserving fighters other than Baldi. He had to beat him to even get the crown in the first place.

Are you knocking Floyd for fighting Oscar DeLeHoya rather than defending his WW title?

Did Pacquiao defend his 135 and 140 titles? No he jumped to big money fights with Oscar and Hatton. Cant knock Floyd for fighting Oscar bro.

[jrosales13]

Baldomir did not get lucky against Zab for the record. Also Baldy ranks above diaz in my book because he won a lineal title and Diaz has never beat a prime fighter in the ranks of Judah (well besides the amateurs).

Comparison's to Diaz are valid though I suppose. Both definitely the weakest opponents Floyd and Pacquiao have fought in the last 4 years. Well debatable. I might argue that Baldomir was a better win then Judah, actually he was.

I personally rank them the same. Yea he never won a lineal title. But, he was undefeated at 135 until Pac. And, had a KO win against Santa Cruz who was robbed against the lineal champ Casamayor. And, both skill and talent level are at par with each other. So both rank the same for me.

I do agree though that Baldomir is a better win than the Judah win.

But, that is kind of sad TBH.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

The De La Hoya fight would have been okay if he had then defended his lineal title against a top contender. Even the Hatton fight would have been just about okay if he had then defended his lineal title against a top contender. But to fight those two and then "retire", when he had won the lineal title against a mediocre fighter, and when there were at least four Welterweights at the time who were far better than Boldomir, was inexcusable.

If your argument is he shouldnt had fought Oscar and Hatton in 2 of boxing biggest fights because he shouldve defended his WW belt.

Im sorry. You wont get much from me. Thats ludicrous at best. How in 2010 are we knocking the guy for fighting Oscar in boxing BIGGEST fight ever. When at the time EVERYONE was going nuts about it.

Then he fought Hatton in another HUGE fight.

You wont get much from me on that. I refuse to clown a guy for going after the 2 biggest fights in the sport.

[SCEN3RY]

cause he wasnt this terrible fighter people make him out to be...he had a soid skill set and a granite chin,,he was a poor mans margarito imo..he had heart and that will to win....he was no push over for anyone so why is he now used for as a punchline on here???

When Mayweather fought Baldomir, he had 9 losses...that's far from impressive, what was impressive was the win streak he had from 1996 to 2006, until he faced Mayweather. I don't think Mayweather ruined, what was a mediocre fighter in the first place, if that's what your asking. Baldomir surely didn't seem stunned, or hurt anytime in that fight. Baldomir is a pressure fighter, except he's exceptionally slow, doesn't have a high work rate, and had no threatening power (only 14 KOs of 45 wins). he did have a good chin...but either Alvarez is an extraordinary puncher or Baldomir's chin is now in question....I'm leaning towards the latter, considering he's 39 years old with over 55 fights.