Serious question..does balomire get discredited just cause floyd beat him??

[Shattered Jaw]

I'm really surprised Floyd never fought prime Cotto (after the Mosely and Hatton fights)...

That was easily the biggest fight in the sport at the time and would have been a real money spinner. I blame Arum and Cotto as much though for that fight not happening - would have be AMAZING and personally just as anticipated as Floyd/Pac.

[jrosales13]

Again no one said Baldi was the best fighter. But he was however the only WW to put himself in position to be the Ring Champion. Those other 5 guys didnt. Baldi had the most important belt at 147 pounds. Its just how it was at the time.

Whether he wins or loses or Judah for that matter doesnt matter. Whatd oes matter is that Floyd wasnt wrong for fighting Baldi like you mentioned. So I dont get what the fuss is about. No one said Baldi was this great legendary fighter.

Were basically going in circles. If you dont knock Floyd for fighting Baldi. Then that alos means those other 5 guys are irrelevant considering Floyd had his sights set on making the biggest 2 fights in the sport and the fact those 5 werent Lineal Champ.

How so??????

[jrosales13]

i woukld rate him ahead of diaz.......diaz is garbage.

Maybe Diaz is garbage. I won't argue that. But, they both on the same level would make Baldomir garbage as well.

[Dave Rado]

Whats so telling about fighting in 2 of boxing biggest fights at the time? Come on man.

You are still missing the point. As I keep saying, what was wrong was that he then "retired" without defending his lineal Welterweight title against a single top contender, despite the fact that there were at least five Welterweights at the time who were better than the guy he beat to win the title. That makes winning the title pretty meaningless, because he never proved himself to be the best Welterweight of that time. I have said over and over against that there was nothing wrong with him taking the DLH and Hatton fights provided that he defended his title against a top contender after that. But he didn't.

[daggum]

Its pointless debating you with on Floyd.

Whats so telling about fighting in 2 of boxing biggest fights at the time? Come on man.

And I really dont feel like getting into the whole Pac-Floyd nonsense.

it's telling how he took the easy big fights and dodged the hard big fights against dangerous prime opponents. basically he's a puss-y who looks for easy money. you can manufacture any fight into being a "big fight" but that doesn't mean the fight is relevant in boxing history. mayweather-marquez was a "huge fight" it did 1 million ppv's but what was the point? it meant nothing.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You are still missing the point. As I keep saying, what was wrong was that he then "retired" without defending his lineal Welterweight title against a single top contender, despite the fact that there were at least five Welterweights at the time who were better than the guy he beat to win the title. That makes winning the title pretty meaningless, because he never proved himself to be the best Welterweight of that time. I have said over and over against that there was nothing wrong with him taking the DLH and Hatton fights provided that he defended his title against a top contender after that. But he didn't.

I quoted Daggum. Not what you said.

How didnt he prove himself to be the best WW?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

it's telling how he took the easy big fights and dodged the hard big fights against dangerous prime opponents. basically he's a puss-y who looks for easy money. you can manufacture any fight into being a "big fight" but that doesn't mean the fight is relevant in boxing history. mayweather-marquez was a "huge fight" it did 1 million ppv's but what was the point? it meant nothing.

And so the agenda comes out.

Good talk.

[Dave Rado]

He fought a JMW but he was still a WW? What are you talking about. He weighed in at 150 Pounds. He was a JMW. He moved up in weight to fight Oscar.

The Jr Middleweight limit is 154lb. He only managed to put on 3lb and got to 150lb, and he went straight back to 147 in his next fight. So he was still a Welterweight. DLH was a great win, but he wasn't moving up in the sense that he was now campaigning at Jr Middleweight. His next fight was at Welterweight, not at Jr Middleweight. That is not analogous to Pac moving up from Lightweight, which he has never returned to, or from Jr Welterweight, which he has never returned to. If Pac had returned to Lightweight after fighting DLH, but then fought a Super Featherweight, instead of fighting a top Lightweight, and then retired, then that would be analogous to what Floyd did. But he didn't do that, he moved up in weight permanently.

[Dave Rado]

How didnt he prove himself to be the best WW?

Because there were five contenders at the time who were better than the guy he won the lineal crown from, and he didn't defend against any of them. You can't claim to be the best in the division when you haven't fought any of the best five fighters in the division.

If he had fought Cotto or Margarito or Mosley or Williams after the Hatton fight, and then retired - especially Cotto or Margarito - no one would have had any complaints.

[daggum]

And so the agenda comes out.

Good talk.

what agenda? the truth agenda? as i said before ppv buys do not equal good fights. just cause a fight sells a lot doesn't mean it was a meaningful fight. cotto and pac were the 2 most meaningful fights of floyd's career and he avoided them. hatton and oscar were decent fights but you can't make a great legacy off of them. at least he's rich though and at least he still has some fans who will defend him as he continually rips them off.