Discussion: The effect of loosing a few extra lbs.

[solo20]

Gentlemen, one at the time please. Cotto was overtraining by over working 6 days of the week. Emmanuel drop that sht as soon as He stepped in so yes, He was a little over trained for the Clottey fight too. It doesn't take a genius or been Cotto shadow to see that.
But less not just talk about Cotto becuase this thread is not just about him. We are talking boxing and yes, I have worked with a few boxers in my time.
I'm just not talking sht here because I have a keyboard.
I know how much a boxer stuggles to make weight and know how much a few lbs can change his game.

like i said dont wast your time with nuthuggers this is boxingscene just come here for laughs

[pistol whip]

Pistol, you want to continue hitting the same nail and I'm trying to make this thread about boxing and training. Not about Cotto.
I do get reports of Cotto's camp and his training Sir from reliable sources on both Bairoa Caguas and Kissimee FL.
But that's not the point I'm discussing. Can you tone it down just a bit.
If you have something to contribute to the thread, great.

I already have contributed to this thread by pointing that all your thoeries are entirely based on taking a giant ***ing guess.

[pistol whip]

Hydrating becomes more difficult if you have overtrained, because your body then requires more time to completely recuperate. So a 24 hour period doesn't say much.

You aren't very smart are you?

I shed weight all the time currently to fight, and use to religiously to wrestle. Losing weight isn't rough because fighters are lean (rare cases) losing weight is tough because most fighters have a lot of weight to lose to make weight, and extra poundage to lose then requires an even harder camp which can influence/cause one to over train.

Many welterweights walk around in between 160-175. That's 20 to 30 potential pounds they are losing and only about 10 of which is water. Add in a few extra pounds to lose via catchweight and you have a pretty tough camp, because it's not just cutting weight, but cutting weight effectively. Can't do it too fast, there's a science to cutting so that the fighter stays strong.. and extra lbs to lose can potentially "rush" the cutting process.

As for cotto re hydrating; against pacman he physically looked better than I've ever seen him. He looked shredded, which is unusual for him on fight night. Cotto usually carries water in his mid section on fight night and can look noticeably heaviar in his waist with less definition in his mid than the night before during weigh in. This didn't happen for pacman. He looked as lean during the fight as he did at the weigh in - and it can definitely raise questions.

The thing is that all of this is fine in theory but it doesn't mean you generalize that every single fighter that fought at a catchweight with Pac was weight drained. For all you know those fighters could have made the weight easily but the truth of the matter that looking at pictures and assuming from those pictures that the fighter was weight drained is just outright ***ing ******ity. So my question isnt you arn't very smart are you because I know you arn't smart whatsoever when you look at a ***ing photograph and assume that he was weight drained. never mind that he was eating like ***ing horse in the weeks leadin up to the fight and there is video evidence to prove it. And if he did over train who's fault was that actually?

[Pin Galarga]

Pistol, I don't think Cotto was eating like that everyday. I think they made that special meal for the 24/7. But I disagree with the photo statement.
You can tell a lot looking at photos because they don't lie.
I like to compare weigh ins to know when a boxer has max his time on a weight class.
A boxer who is over trained looks over trained, you just have to know what to look for.

Cotto looked overtrained for the Pacquiao fight and that is MY oppinion, which doesn't have to agree with yours. We don't have to agree in every view.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

The thing is that all of this is fine in theory but it doesn't mean you generalize that every single fighter that fought at a catchweight with Pac was weight drained. For all you know those fighters could have made the weight easily but the truth of the matter that looking at pictures and assuming from those pictures that the fighter was weight drained is just outright ***ing ******ity. So my question isnt you arn't very smart are you because I know you arn't smart whatsoever when you look at a ***ing photograph and assume that he was weight drained. never mind that he was eating like ***ing horse in the weeks leadin up to the fight and there is video evidence to prove it. And if he did over train who's fault was that actually?

How do you know he ate like that everday the video dose not show what he eat everday leading up to the fight.

[CUNTLEE]

yawn excuses excuses,manny destroyed cotto cause cotto sucks

[Pin Galarga]

I knew we could count with your knowledge in boxing contributing to the discussion that by the way, is not about Cotto, but yes your hero has contribute to the problem.

[intoccabile]

The thing is that all of this is fine in theory but it doesn't mean you generalize that every single fighter that fought at a catchweight with Pac was weight drained. For all you know those fighters could have made the weight easily but the truth of the matter that looking at pictures and assuming from those pictures that the fighter was weight drained is just outright ***ing ******ity. So my question isnt you arn't very smart are you because I know you arn't smart whatsoever when you look at a ***ing photograph and assume that he was weight drained. never mind that he was eating like ***ing horse in the weeks leadin up to the fight and there is video evidence to prove it. And if he did over train who's fault was that actually?

i repeat.. not very smart.

I said nothing about photos. I was talking about footage, and how cottos body differed from previous bouts. As i said, he looked in better shape than ever before. This 'isn't' a complement under these circumstances - it means his body didn't recover the same overnight as it normally would have in other bouts which is usually a sign of overtraining and would raise questions. I'm not saying he or anyone else was overtrained, I'm just stating the obvious and it's the reason people can make such claims.

Also...Where did food come into this conversation, too?
Food and overtraining have absolutely nothing in common and trainng at that level, in order to maintain strength you HAVE to eat. Eating isn't a cause of weight. anyone here who knows a thing of two about maintaining or cutting weight knows food is one of the biggest parts and you hardly skip a meal if you want to recover properly. Dieting is another word for 'eating, specifically'.

[007geyweather]

if i were you i wouldnt wast my time trying to explain this to nuthhugers. alot of these guys in here have never train to be a boxer i have and i also was in the Marines had to keep a cetain weight to be fast and storng in combat but i had to be careful not to go down in weight to much or i would feel weak i was very lean loseing muscles takes alot out of you.

It depend on the boxer you idiot. Why can you not understand that. You think Margarito will have less power because they are fighting at 151? answer me that question.

You don't and wont explain because you are ******..

[straightleft]

People have to understand that most boxers are 100% lean and that 2 or 3 lbs make a huge difference when you are talking muscle mass.
Just all the work for those extra lbs can push you to been overtrained.
For regular people a few lbs is a meal, for a boxer is weeks of more training and that's What Roach refers to "taking something out of them".
It makes a huge difference and it changes a boxers training rutine.
So please, don't under play a few lbs. It has made Pacquiao who He is today.

If you haven't worked training any one you might not know this facts.

This showed to us how limited your boxing knowledge and how dumb ***** you are. Did you know that 99% of the boxers they are overweight on their current division when they have no schedule fight? Did you also know that they have a few months (1 year to 2 months) to cut those extra lbs safely? Did you know Pac in Oscar fight has only 1 fight at lightweight (135) moved up at 147 just to fight Oscar. Now you ***** dumb think it was not fair for Oscar and Pac should fought Oscar at 154 or at 160, right? Beside did you know it was Oscar has all the say in that fight? Did you know also that Oscar was already at 145 one month before the fight? Did you know that Pac after he fought Oscar at 147 he moved down to one 140 and fought Hatton at his best weight? I think you should make also a thread about how Hatton made Pac weight drained himself to fight him in his best weight right? You should make a thread how your queen coward asked JMM to move 2 divisions above his best weight and fought Floyd in his best weight but still the frucker coward cheated JMM at the scale! In Cotto fight, did you know that he has 4-5 months to lose those extra 1 lbs (his fight with Clottey he weighed in 146)? Did you know also Cotto said from his own mouth he usually weighed in this weight range and he did not made any excuses about it? In Margarito fight, did you know that he made his name at 147 and by adding another 4 lbs in his fight with Pac at 151 will basically weight drain him, right? You an idiot isn't it?