Why,why,why..would martinez-williams 2 be at a catchweight??please explain

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Trying to get to 147 pounds? If thats the case why even fight Martinez for the Middleweight Championship? I mean if you beat him then you are the man at 160 why even think about 147 when that division is crap now besides Mayweather and Pacquiao.

You answered your own question. 147 is where the money is.

Nothing was worked out so hes fighting Martinez now.

[bojangles1987]

I'll lay out my reasoning for the 145 Pac-Cotto debacle.




1. Cotto goes golfing with Oscar and is threatened that if you dont resign you dont get a pac fight.

2. Pacquiao says he wants Cotto at 143 Pounds. Not 145. One Hundred, forty three.

3. Cotto says "**** you" Im fighting at 147. I won my belt at 147.

4. Pac says well then you wont get the payday.

5. Cotto says " no wait I need the pay day. If you want to fight me fine but my title wont be on the line unless I can fight at 147.

6. Pac says nmot good enough.

7. Cotto says ok 145 but my title cant be on the line.

8. Suliman creates the Diamond belt slapping Cotto in the face.

9. Cotto then says **** it "Ill fight at 145 with my belt on the line".

10. So Pac/Cotto is signed and Pac fights for a Historic record setting 7th title at a catch weight. After that fight Cotto immediatly moves up to 154 pounds.

You do the ****ing math.

Everything you just mentioned is negotiation, except the diamond belt which is corrupt commissions Pac and Cotto had nothing to do with. Cotto was never going to have to fight at 143, and was not bothered at all by 145, just like Martinez won't be coming in at 157.

So Martinez-Williams 2 is a legit fight but Cotto having to come in one pound lighter than the previous fight is a debacle? Hm.

[crillz]

No no no my dude.

Why is he asking for it. What does he gain? What is the point? Why do you think Williams needs a 157 Pound catchweight.

I posted what I came up with. What did you come up with.

you're asking me "why is he asking for the catch weight" right?

my answer was "it doesn't matter why he is asking for the catch weight, the idea of a catch weight overall is bad"..

you singling out 1 thing and sticking to that ignoring the bigger overall picture which is what logically should be the focus, it shouldn't be "why is he asking for the catch weight" it should be "why ask for the catch weight at all"..

once again I repeat to you it DOESN'T matter what his reason is for wanting the catch weight because he shouldn't be asking for a catch weight in a title fight in the first place..

lets say he just wanted to save himself for Welterweight right? then why are you fighting for the Middleweight title then? why not go for some highly ranked contenders and force the top guys there to fight you by climbing the ranks and becoming the mandatory?

I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you like this my dude..

[heat27]

Goodness how many times must this be asked.

1. First, there is no confirmationfrom either camp thats it even a catch weight in the first place.

2. If there is a 157 pound catch weight my guess is that Williams is trying to give off the illusion that he can fight under 160 Pounds still.

3. Also he was trying to get to 147 Pounds and is nowhere near 160 Pounds right now.

4. Why would Williams ask for a catch weight that WILL NOT affect Martinez in any way?

Stop overreacting everybody. Larry you said it yourself hes fought at 160 over 15 times. So that right there tells you it has nothing to do with trying to gain some advantage as the NSB trolls are on a mission to prove.

i remember you b*tching about manny and catch weight fights all the time

now williams does it and you have no problem with that??? LMAO

hypocrite

[HARLEM AL]

I'll lay out my reasoning for the 145 Pac-Cotto debacle.




1. Cotto goes golfing with Oscar and is threatened that if you dont resign you dont get a pac fight.

2. Pacquiao says he wants Cotto at 143 Pounds. Not 145. One Hundred, forty three.

3. Cotto says "**** you" Im fighting at 147. I won my belt at 147.

4. Pac says well then you wont get the payday.

5. Cotto says " no wait I need the pay day. If you want to fight me fine but my title wont be on the line unless I can fight at 147.

6. Pac says nmot good enough.

7. Cotto says ok 145 but my title cant be on the line.

8. Suliman creates the Diamond belt slapping Cotto in the face.

9. Cotto then says **** it "Ill fight at 145 with my belt on the line".

10. So Pac/Cotto is signed and Pac fights for a Historic record setting 7th title at a catch weight. After that fight Cotto immediatly moves up to 154 pounds.

You do the ****ing math.

You can spin it how you want. The catch weight **** for a title is bull****.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You can spin it how you want. The catch weight **** for a title is bull****.

Thats your opinion. I posted mine.

[bojangles1987]

Hes nowhere near 160 right now. Why do you think Martinez accepted? Because he has no one else to fight and KNOWS WHY Paul asked for the catch weight.

You havet seen anyone from Martinez come out fighting tooth and nail for this to be at 160. You havent seen anyone from Martinez camp asking "why is there a ****ing catchweight? YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

So how does this make Paul a bytch. What advantge did he gain over Martinez?

Why Martinez accepted? Why MARTINEZ accepted? He's the one who wanted the damn fight after beating Pavlik while Paul was asking for 60-40 dragging his feet trying to fight Floyd or Pacquiao. Paul is the one who had to accept the fight.

So what if Paul is nowhere near 160? That's not a good reason to want a catchweight. Just because we don't know the reason Paul might have asked for a catchweight doesn't mean it's okay, don't worry about it. Martinez can make the weight fine, no one is denying that, but that doesn't change that there is NO REASON to be asking for a catchweight to begin with.

Paul is a b*tch if he asked for the catchweight BECAUSE he asked for the catchweight, the reason is irrelevant.

[JmH Reborn]

P.Will asking for a catchweight is for the linear title is just as sheisty as Pac asking for the same with Cotto.

I just take it to mean that they like their chances when their opponent is less than 100%. Sergio for all intents and purposes is 35 and who knows if those 3 pounds are crucial to him, which I believe they are. There is a reason why he gave up the 154 lb title in favor of the MW WBC title.

Neither has many financially lucrative options, so I call shenanigans on P.Will's part. I hope Sergio puts him out so we can stop hearing about him for awhile

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Why Martinez accepted? Why MARTINEZ accepted? He's the one who wanted the damn fight after beating Pavlik while Paul was asking for 60-40 dragging his feet trying to fight Floyd or Pacquiao. Paul is the one who had to accept the fight.

So what if Paul is nowhere near 160? That's not a good reason to want a catchweight. Just because we don't know the reason Paul might have asked for a catchweight doesn't mean it's okay, don't worry about it. Martinez can make the weight fine, no one is denying that, but that doesn't change that there is NO REASON to be asking for a catchweight to begin with.

Paul is a b*tch if he asked for the catchweight BECAUSE he asked for the catchweight, the reason is irrelevant.

I have to stop you right there.

Willaims offered Martinez the rematch and Martinez turned it down to fight Pavlik.

Goosen then offered Martinez another fight and Martinez camp said they were waiting on MAYWEATHER.

So lets not act liek Paul didnt want this fight when it was offered twice already.

[Tamis!]

so then you're part of the problem, I'm not bickering nor am I upset I just choose not to support this mockery of Boxing. it's well known that "Jr" divisions and the addition of sub weight classes messed up Boxing already but now we got guys making their own weight classes in title fights now? **** them...

and don't be a ****ing imbecile, at least 97% of this websites forums have no connection or impact on anything that get's done in Boxing/MMA or any other sport we talk about on here but it still doesn't stop us from giving out our opinions, this is the whole point of the forum is to give out opinions amongst each other and talk about Boxing, that's what I'm doing so stop looking for ways to come out and try to attack my opinion..

if you don't have an opinion then just come out and say "I'm a brainless observer with no opinions and I just eat the **** Michael Marley and Dan Rafeal spew in the media and I take no time to make my own opinions after conducting my own research on all the Boxing news, I'll just watch whatever they throw at me because it's not like we have a say anyway" don't come at me for actually having a unique perspective to offer..

My, that's a lot of words to say to someone who don't give two ****s!

I just told you the reason why we're here at NSB, to air all these BS, why you mad?

Me part of the problem? I don't see any...

LOL!