Bernard Hopkins: Not an ATG?

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    Gay Pride
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    #71
    Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
    B-Hop vs

    Hagler easy UD win for B-Hop
    Hearns this would be a war but B-Hop would KO him with in the 1st 6 rounds
    Leonard late KO by B-Hop
    Toney tough UD for B-Hop
    Mike Spinks at 175 I think B-Hop would kill him and win an easy UD
    Steve Collins easy UD for B-Hop


    He would prob beat Hearns, Hagler and Leonard @ 160 because he is much bigger.....these are smaller men @ 160.

    He would have lost to James Toney IMO. Toney was faster at 160 and 168 than Hopkins, chin is better (and that says alot), power is equal if not better, technical abilities equal if not better. I am of the opinion James Toney would have beaten Hopkins in a battle of counterpunchers.......Hopkins isn't active anough to take advantage of Toney's inactivity at 160.

    Spinks @ 75......are you joking??.....Spinks takes that!!!

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    • Dick Buffman
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      #72
      Originally posted by Bhopreign
      He does many things exceptional. Exceptionally he evades punches, limits opponents offense, doesnt waste punches, good connect percentage, controls pace and has been one of the best ring generals for well over 15 years.
      yeah, cuz' he's great at holding and not fighting. I could see why you and Boolee like Ward.

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        #73
        Bottom line is that Nard is an ATG........but prob outside of the top 40 or 50. He can mix it with any fighter at 160 (whilst i believe there are fighters who would beat him at this weight) and 168 because he is technically sound and has a good defense.

        He would have his hands full against any fighter of the same size (or bigger) with much faster handspeed who throws alot of punches IMHO.

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          #74
          Originally posted by check hook
          He would prob beat Hearns, Hagler and Leonard @ 160 because he is much bigger.....these are smaller men @ 160.

          He would have lost to James Toney IMO. Toney was faster at 160 and 168 than Hopkins, chin is better (and that says alot), power is equal if not better, technical abilities equal if not better. I am of the opinion James Toney would have beaten Hopkins in a battle of counterpunchers.......Hopkins isn't active anough to take advantage of Toney's inactivity at 160.

          Spinks @ 75......are you joking??.....Spinks takes that!!!
          He might beat Hagler. I am not saying he won't. But, he is not doing it easy as that poster claims. Fact is no MW in the history of the sport is having an easy time with a prime Hagler.

          The problem is that I think people see Hagler as this come forward face first brawler and that is it. But, Hagler had more dimensions to his game.

          And, the Spinks comment...... Well that is just ridiculous.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Dick Buffman
            yeah, cuz' he's great at holding and not fighting. I could see why you and Boolee like Ward.

            I think you need to go back and watch a prime Hopkins and not base those comments on a Hopkins thats 4 summers shy of 50.

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              #76
              The Toney fight is so tough as they are virtually equal but I think Hopkins can win by staying on the outside even though he won't land much(if at all) I think B-Hop could just keep pumping his jab and Toney won't ever adjust.

              B-Hop would phuck Spinks up IMO Spinks was way too undiscplined B-Hop would destroy him.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Bhopreign
                I think you need to go back and watch a prime Hopkins and not base those comments on a Hopkins thats 4 summers shy of 50.
                I've seen him. He definitely didn't bore as much back then, but he still fouled like a mother****er.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  He might beat Hagler. I am not saying he won't. But, he is not doing it easy as that poster claims. Fact is no MW in the history of the sport is having an easy time with a prime Hagler.

                  The problem is that I think people see Hagler as this come forward face first brawler and that is it. But, Hagler had more dimensions to his game.

                  And, the Spinks comment...... Well that is just ridiculous.


                  so ridiculous.......the guy was a beast at 175. Who would beat Spinks at 175?? I'm not sure?

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by check hook
                    so ridiculous.......the guy was a beast at 175. Who would beat Spinks at 175?? I'm not sure?
                    I have to agree with this.

                    I don't think there is anyone in the history of mankind who wouldn't have trouble with Spinks at light heavyweight.



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                      #80
                      Originally posted by jrosales13
                      He might beat Hagler. I am not saying he won't. But, he is not doing it easy as that poster claims. Fact is no MW in the history of the sport is having an easy time with a prime Hagler.

                      The problem is that I think people see Hagler as this come forward face first brawler and that is it. But, Hagler had more dimensions to his game.

                      And, the Spinks comment...... Well that is just ridiculous.
                      Originally posted by RunW/Knives
                      I have to agree with this.

                      I don't think there is anyone in the history of mankind who wouldn't have trouble with Spinks at light heavyweight.



                      Holyfield vs Spinks @ 175 would have been a DREAM MATCHUP!

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