Bernard Hopkins: Not an ATG?

[starjammer]

I am reading 'The Last Great Fight' by Joe Layden. In a passage concerning Bruce Trampler (manager of Bill Douglas - father of Tyson conquerer, Buster Douglas), the subject of Bernard Hopkins is raised.

'In the winter of 2005 Trampler got to thinking of Douglas one night while watching forty-year-old Bernard Hopkins, a revered and seemingly ageless middleweight, lose for the second time to a lightning-quick youngster named Jermain Taylor. A few days later Trampler dashed off an e-mail to Peltz, his friend and business associate, wondering whether he, too, felt that Hopkins, far from being a future Hall of Famer, was one of the sport's most overrated practioners. How many of the beastly middleweights who called Peltz's stable home in the 1970s would have dismantled Hopkins with little trouble?

Peltz responded quickly with a list of ten names...which included Bill Douglas...who ''would have bounced right hands off Bernard Hopkins all night long''''

So is Trampler correct? Was Hopkins just a stand-out of a weak era? Does his mental fortitude only prevail in the 90s and 00s? If so, which fighters do you think would have beaten him?

[Run]

Not only is he an ATG level fighter,

I'll go a step further and state he would beat any middleweight of all time in his prime on any given day. Take that to the bank.

The reason is he's one of the greatest pugilists of all time.



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[bcfc]

b-hop atg no doubt about it....

[Spray_resistant]

He totally dominated his era and that is what ATGs do, it doesn't matter if the comp at times wasn't the best.

[Run]

Under the modern judging system and in their primes, I also think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Julian Jackson, anyone. Because for whatever style they brought to him, he'd just change his accordingly.

If they tried to box him....he'd close the gap and brawl them, if they were aggressive, he'd just cycle them and fight cautious.

Even Jackson I don't think would stun him, and Hagler + Monzon's aggressiveness wouldn't pay off that well.

He had trouble with Roy in the early days because of his athleticism. That being stated if they fought each other 5 times in their primes I still think he would knock Roy out 2/5 of the times perhaps.



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[cleaner147]

Hopkins is a blazing star among the All Time Greats.

[Bhopreign]

People forget Hopkins was 40 years old in that fight.

[Shabba Rank$]

I know for sure.

That Hopkins ability to adjust to any fighter along with Floyd is just amazing.

[starjammer]

He totally dominated his era and that is what ATGs do, it doesn't matter if the comp at times wasn't the best.

It's hard to argue against that. That's how I feel about Calzaghe.

Under the modern judging system and in their primes, I also think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Julian Jackson, anyone. Because for whatever style they brought to him, he'd just change his accordingly.

If they tried to box him....he'd close the gap and brawl them, if they were aggressive, he'd just cycle them and fight cautious.

Even Jackson I don't think would stun him, and Hagler + Monzon's aggressiveness wouldn't pay off that well.

He had trouble with Roy in the early days because of his athleticism. That being stated if they fought each other 5 times in their primes I still think he would knock Roy out 2/5 of the times perhaps.

Yo, Run How you holding up after that Nuclear blast a few weeks back?

Concerning Roy, I think that latest rematch with Roy says nothing really on the matter, so I don't think that should be used as a barometer for how Roy and B-Hop would have matched up post their 1993 bout, but that's my opinion. Not saying that's what you were even basing it on. But I think Bernard beats Roy only when Roy loses his mojo.

That in no way suggests that Roy was a superior pugilist, but as you say atlethicism was at times the antidote to beat B-Hop.

[street bully]

The guy who wrote that is a morn. ****** ass mid western inbreads.