Bernard Hopkins: Not an ATG?

[Jcsuper]

Hopkins is an all time great. End of discussion. One of the best fighter I've ever seen

[Bhopreign]

I never said he dominated. I said the fights were close and could've gone either way. ATG's don't struggle with Taylor.

He definitely lost the second fight.

Of course YOU thought he beat Calzaghe, how I don't know, but when a guy fakes low blows to buy time he lost the fight.

Ray Robinson just might struggle with Taylor at 40 years of age.

[Run]

It is a big claim that he would beat Hagler, this I'm aware of.

But see, if you try and compare the likes of one Hearns to Hopkins they just aren't comparable especially being different fighters. Hearns had tremendous power and hit Hagler with everything, and almost to no avail at times. That's not how a blueprint is set to beat Hagler. It's clear that he could potentially be frustrated by a slick boxer. The idea that Hopkins is by no means chinny (Mercado was the only person who ever dropped him and it was more like an accident) I don't think he would have put Hopkins lights out.

Outwork Nard? Maybe but under modern judging criteria, I see him losing the fight because of Nard's ring generalship.

If a judge saw the fight thoroughly, one of them might have simply given Hagler the nod because of how aggressive he'd potentially fight.......but then again Hopkins has the capacity to be aggressive in his own right. He just elects to use the best facet he has to win a fight.

Not only that but he's not small. I mean he's over 6' tall and lengthy in his own right and uses his elbows on the inside along with his head....everything. He is king of being dirty in the ring.

If you put all of that together in my mind he begins to look like the most dangerous middleweight ever. I mean having watched him for so long now that's really all I can state.



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[Bhopreign]

It is a big claim that he would beat Hagler, this I'm aware of.

But see, if you try and compare the likes of one Hearns to Hopkins they just aren't comparable especially being different fighters. Hearns had tremendous power and hit Hagler with everything, and almost to no avail at times. That's not how a blueprint is set to beat Hagler. It's clear that he could potentially be frustrated by a slick boxer. The idea that Hopkins is by no means chinny (Mercado was the only person who ever dropped him and it was more like an accident) I don't think he would have put Hopkins lights out.

Outwork Nard? Maybe but under modern judging criteria, I see him losing the fight because of Nard's ring generalship.

If a judge saw the fight thoroughly, one of them might have simply given Hagler the nod because of how aggressive he'd potentially fight.......but then again Hopkins has the capacity to be aggressive in his own right. He just elects to use the best facet he has to win a fight.

Not only that but he's not small. I mean he's over 6' tall and lengthy in his own right and uses his elbows on the inside along with his head....everything. He is king of being dirty in the ring.

If you put all of that together in my mind he begins to look like the most dangerous middleweight ever. I mean having watched him for so long now that's really all I can state.

Good analysis.

[Dan...]

You yourself said Hopkins dominated Taylor and was robbed twice. Also Hopkins won the Calzaghe fight in all ringside scorers opinions. A lot of us think Hopkins won that fight. Also he lost a close fight to Jones and swept the final four rounds after figuring Jones out. Pitty, it was not a 15 rounder also.

Gotta love Street Bully for stuff like this.

[jrosales13]

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/bernard-hopkins-history-in-the-making

“Sugar Ray Robinson at 147 pounds was close to perfect,” Hopkins posits. “But at middleweight, he was beatable. I would have fought Ray Robinson in close and not given him room to do his thing. He’d make me pay a physical price. But at middleweight, I think I’d wear him down and win. Me and Marvin Hagler would have been a war. We’d both be in the hospital afterward with straws in our mouth. We’d destroy each other. I wouldn’t run from Marvin. My game-plan would be, rough him up, box, rough him up, box. You wouldn’t use judges for that fight. You’d go by the doctors’ reports. Whichever one of us is damaged less gets the win. Carlos Monzon? I could lose that fight. Monzon was tall, rangy, did everything right. I see myself losing that fight more than winning it. I ain’t saying I’m number one, but I’m one of the best middleweights of all time. My legacy is what it is. If you want to be great, then beat Bernard Hopkins.”

[Franco2012]

B-HOP is top 10 middleweight of all time,period!

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/th...-in-the-making

"i will never lose to a white boy"

-bernard hopkins


I guess jermaine taylor is a first ballot hall of famer then.

[jrosales13]

"i will never lose to a white boy"

-bernard hopkins


I guess jermaine taylor is a first ballot hall of famer then.

Why would JT be a first ballot HOF'er?

Yes B-hop said he could beat SRR and go life and death with Hagler. But, to his credit he did say Monzon style and attributes were all wrong for him and that Monzon would beat him.

It seemed like an honest answer by him.

[Bhopreign]

"i will never lose to a white boy"

-bernard hopkins


I guess jermaine taylor is a first ballot hall of famer then.

Seems you have more thorough knowledge of Floyd's going ons.