Why are old school fighters from 1900-1960 rated ATG?

[SonnyboyReturns]

Here we have two "out of shape drunks looking for a free meal ticket":

[Medved]

See the TS wants to take great fighters from yester year and put them in today environment, lets take fighters of today and put them in 15 round fights, fights where they might not have the supplements, footage of their opponent in preparation for the fight.

Nope some poster said if you put Archie in today against top competition he would school everyone. Yep with no modern training or technique.

I think you guys are biased against the past and need to do some learning about sports evolution in general. Theres plently of books on it out there. You guys have been brainwashed by the old cigar smokers who on every boxing tv show bigup the past. Older doesnt mean better.

Go to your library and find a few books on Sports Evolution.

[Medved]

Here we have two "out of shape drunks looking for a free meal ticket":

You idiot, I said MOST not ALL and Sugar I do agree with being in top 5 ATG.

Look at the fighters considered ATG from 1900-1960 and look at ALL of their OPPONENTS. MOST ARE JUST REGULAR FOLKS LOOKING FOR SOME BOOZE MONEY!

[NChristo]

No way Archie is going to win against top competition from today if you took him from history and put him in without todays technique or training. The diffirence in training/technique/dieting is just INSANE compared to back then. Its like taking a 100m runner from those days and putting him against top 10 and saying they would beat the current guys.

Boxing has evolved so much from the old days, they take the good and evolve the sport.

Do you believe in Evolution?

Sorry, but Pascal is not beating Moore, stylistically I don't see how Pascal troubles him at all, BUT people run faster today so Pascal might be able to beat him.

[Run]

Because ALL sports evolve, Cycling, Swimming, Running, Boxing.

They evolve year by year by evolving the sport. Better technique/harder training. Technology is a great tool that shows which technique is the best to use and which is not.

You cant possibly tell me that all these sports have improved 10 fold over the last century along with their athletes but boxing hasnt. The fighters were ATG of their ERAS but not OUR ERA.

Look at the evolution of all sports and you will see that every decade the competitive level goes up and up every time.

Yes Yes I do understand your point thoroughly. And it makes sense in some regards when we're discussing how fights are sanctioned, refereed, and judged in the modern era. But you also have to take into consideration that modern day fights are totally different.

1. They're quickly stopped for a fighter's safety.

2. The judges will score points for ring generalship more often than not.

3. Fighters have access to endless information in preparation against.

It's a totally different ballpark.

But like Dynamite Kid stated if you gave the old school fighters adequate preparation and used the modern day techniques we might be having a different discussion. I mean they were accustomed to dealing with massive punishment in order to win fights.



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[jrosales13]

Cotto is considered ATG of todays ERA?

That shouldn't matter cuz of evolution. The training he does today and with today science he should easily and I mean easily fight 15+ rounds right? He could easily fight 25+ rounds or 40+ rounds right? I mean if out of shape drunk men in the past could do it. Surely a 154 pound title holder could right?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Charlie Burley doesnt have great technique?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Anyone think Sergio Martinez could go 15 rounds?

What about Jermain Taylor?

[Dynamite Kid]

That shouldn't matter cuz of evolution. The training he does today and with today science he should easily and I mean easily fight 15+ rounds right? He could easily fight 25+ rounds or 40+ rounds right? I mean if out of shape drunk men in the past could do it. Surely a 154 pound title holder could right?

This^^

Thread stater is only concerned with discussing what suits his agenda, which is why he only wanted to discuss Marciano instead of Moore etc.

[NChristo]

Charlie Burley doesnt have great technique?

Didn't you hear ?, people run faster today so all the boxers back then had shit technique and were a bunch of drunks.