Why are old school fighters from 1900-1960 rated ATG?

[Medved]

Who cares, he was the best of his time, during his time, he beat what was point infront him.

If Marciano grew up in this era, he would most probably be bigger, he would also get the nutrition and schooling some of today's fighters get, so do honestly think he would not be able to make a splash, at the very least win a world title?

Maybe or Maybe not. Theres tons more Competition around today than there was before and you couldnt fight some steel worker in someones back yard.

If he had the proper training and technique since an early age than yea he could win some local belts or even some Alphabet belts. But Do I think he would beat Ali/Tyson/Lewis/Witali ? No way.

I understand that boxing was way diffirent backthen but some people get their panties in a bunch about old fighters being the ALL TIME GREATEST is just silly.

[Dynamite Kid]

Your telling me if you take Archie Moore and put him in with a 2010 alphabet belt holder he will win?

Or are you telling me that if Archie was fighting and training in this era he would win?

Because I think that the diffirence in todays dieting/science of fighting and technique and hell even judging is so far diffirent today there those old guys would need to adapt before they got a chance to do anything.

You got to remember the sport is evolving every single year, they take the good and the bad and improve the Good and get rid of the bad.

If the technique and style of 70 years ago was that good people would still be using it today. But they arent. You know why? Because it was SLOPPY.

James Toney is on record saying that he developed his style from watching footage of Moore.

[Run]

Yes maybe that was too far but 90% of their fights werent against top fighters, alot of the older guys were farmers/iron workers/manual labourers who just did it for some booze money.

Altho Ismael Laguna is my ATG in my mind. I do like old fighters but I think most of their competition was sub-par and they were often chosen to make the fighters look good.

Plus all the racism/bribery/dirty stuff going on back then.

There was a lot of corruption, in some ways the modern era champs have been bred for the sweet science, and nutrition/sports science assistance has improved........that I won't argue with. But a fist fight is a fist fight, and many old school fighters showed unreal stamina/heart/will that often surpasses the same exhibited by the modern day champs. I think it still goes back to the idea that when you're gassed in a fight you're going to slow down and in today's era you see fighters avoiding the other simply to win on points. Letting the fight go to the judges so speak.

If you remember the root of all fist fights (1 punch changes everything) you begin to see how dangerous the old school guys were based on that alone.



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[NChristo]

Your telling me if you take Archie Moore and put him in with a 2010 alphabet belt holder he will win?

Or are you telling me that if Archie was fighting and training in this era he would win?

Because I think that the diffirence in todays dieting/science of fighting and technique and hell even judging is so far diffirent today there those old guys would need to adapt before they got a chance to do anything.

You got to remember the sport is evolving every single year, they take the good and the bad and improve the Good and get rid of the bad.

If the technique and style of 70 years ago was that good people would still be using it today. But they arent. You know why? Because it was SLOPPY.

I'm saying if you put Archie in as he was then in with a title holder, say Pascal, Pascal isn't lasting the distance.

Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather and James Toney all took their parts of their style from Archie Moore, Charles and Walcott and Floyd himself resembles George Benton a lot. But he was just a wild swinging drunk am I right ?, oh why would some of the best fighters of today take techniques from back then ?, they was just sloppy !.

Right ?.

[Dynamite Kid]

Maybe or Maybe not. Theres tons more Competition around today than there was before and you couldnt fight some steel worker in someones back yard.

If he had the proper training and technique since an early age than yea he could win some local belts or even some Alphabet belts. But Do I think he would beat Ali/Tyson/Lewis/Witali ? No way.

I understand that boxing was way diffirent backthen but some people get their panties in a bunch about old fighters being the ALL TIME GREATEST is just silly.

There tons more competition? the belts also mean nothing to establish fighters, so who is picking the belts up, lesser fighters?

[Medved]

There was a lot of corruption, in some ways the modern era champs have been bred for the sweet science, and nutrition/sports science assistance has improved........that I won't argue with. But a fist fight is a fist fight, and many old school fighters showed unreal stamina/heart/will that often surpasses the same exhibited by the modern day champs. I think it still goes back to the idea that when you're gassed in a fight you're going to slow down and in today's era you see fighters avoiding the other simply to win on points. Letting the fight go to the judges so speak.

If you remember the root of all fist fights (1 punch changes everything) you begin to see how dangerous the old school guys were based on that alone.

I agree.

Look at the Olympic Records back then and what they are now.

Even tho the athletes are considered ATG by some their records are just SMASHED today. Look at this chart showing 100m record times year by year.




Now you could make the argument that given todays training that those fighters would run faster but thats just assuming they would. Same thing for boxing.

[jrosales13]

I dont get this, if you compare the dieting,exercise and technique and general knowledge that fighters do these days compared to that era its like a day and night difference. I dont know why everyone is on these old dudes balls. For the most part they were all out of shape drunks looking for a free meal ticket.

There was no level of competition back then as there is now where everything from diet to training and technique and gloves is scientifically calculated.

Can someone explain why these guys are considered ATG? Older doesn't mean better. I know boxing is an old mans sport and they think that old boys are better but i dont think so. Put the eras best fighters against top 10 fighters of today and they would get KO 1 rd.

Tell me the difference between the elite fighters in 1960 compared to the elite fighters in 1961?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

What gives you the assumption that present fighters are better trained?

A good number of the ATG's fought 15 round fights and fought WAYYYY more than todays fighters and more often with less rest inbetween. Do you have a clue about tthe history of the sport or are just trolling?

[Medved]

I'm saying if you put Archie in as he was then in with a title holder, say Pascal, Pascal isn't lasting the distance.

Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather and James Toney all took their parts of their style from Archie Moore, Charles and Walcott and Floyd himself resembles George Benton a lot. But he was just a wild swinging drunk am I right ?, oh why would some of the best fighters of today take techniques from back then ?, they was just sloppy !.

Right ?.

No way Archie is going to win against top competition from today if you took him from history and put him in without todays technique or training. The diffirence in training/technique/dieting is just INSANE compared to back then. Its like taking a 100m runner from those days and putting him against top 10 and saying they would beat the current guys.

Boxing has evolved so much from the old days, they take the good and evolve the sport.

Do you believe in Evolution?

[Run]

I agree.

Look at the Olympic Records back then and what they are now.

Even tho the athletes are considered ATG by some their records are just SMASHED today. Look at this chart showing 100m record times year by year.




Now you could make the argument that given todays training that those fighters would run faster but thats just assuming they would. Same thing for boxing.

I don't see what athletics has to do with fist fighting. Just my logic.

Sure it's an added bonus. But........................



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