Why are old school fighters from 1900-1960 rated ATG?

[jrosales13]

Why are you picking Pascal? Is Pascal considered ATG? Theres no way to tell who would WIN and thats the point im making. You are saying that he will win 100%, nope, no way to tell. Boxing has evolved too much to make a statement like that. Its like a caveman coming out into the modern world and trying to run 100m.

Pascal can barely go 12 rounds. No way in hell is he as good as shape as out of shaped drunk fighters who could fight for 30+ rounds. No matter how much evolution there has been in say 40 years.

[NChristo]

Why are you picking Pascal? Is Pascal considered ATG? Theres no way to tell who would WIN and thats the point im making. You are saying that he will win 100%, nope, no way to tell. Boxing has evolved too much to make a statement like that. Its like a caveman coming out into the modern world and trying to run 100m.

Because you said Archie couldn't beat today's title holders, Pascal is the one that was brought up in argument and the one said you think he can beat Archie.

[NChristo]

Im sure theres people who can go 15 rounds today without much training. Klitschko/Pacq/Floyd/Segura

Klitschko has huge stamina problems which is why he has to pace himself, poor example.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Look at SRR's rope work. You ****ing telling me todays fighters have fotwork and coordination liek this. Cmon man. Todays guys would KILL for this kind of talent.

[NChristo]

Great points.

Where the TS really fails is that NONE of the current boxers would exist if it werent for fighters of the past. Everybody watched somebody. Everyone incorporated something from someone else style.

Look at Mosley and Kid Gavilan styles.

Toney and Mayweather.

Vitali and Jack Johnson.

I'd say Vitali was more like Tony Canzoneri and Primo Carnera then anyone else. Don't see much Johnson in him though.

[Medved]

Because you said Archie couldn't beat today's title holders, Pascal is the one that was brought up in argument and the one said you think he can beat Archie.

Oh so you know for SURE that Archie will beat pascal?

Im done with this convo, two or three idiots in here who are stuck in their beliefs and haven't got a clue about the Evolution of Sports.

Comparing old fighters to current ones then saying OH HE WILL BEAAT HIM!! is just silly.

Todays Pace/Standards/Testing/Level of Fighting is so much different than it was back then that its just ****** to make a statement that "he will wipe the floor"

Nuthuggery at its best

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Because you said Archie couldn't beat today's title holders, Pascal is the one that was brought up in argument and the one said you think he can beat Archie.

Man Pascal would get ****d by a Prime Tarver let alone Ezzard, Foster, or Moore.

[Run]

I was thinking TKO at that point

Also look at 2:55 when he pivots around, amazing footwork.

Thanks for digging that out of the vault.

I'm actually laughing at how awesome that fight was, and the more tired the two were, the more violent the whole affair became.



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[SonnyboyReturns]

Look at SRR's rope work. You ****ing telling me todays fighters have fotwork and coordination liek this. Cmon man. Todays guys would KILL for this kind of talent.

Look even Bernard Hopkins admits:




3:37

[Medved]

Look at SRR's rope work. You ****ing telling me todays fighters have fotwork and coordination liek this. Cmon man. Todays guys would KILL for this kind of talent.

Hey Stoopid, I said SRR was in my Top 5. Laguna is up there too.

Stop making dumb predictions. You cant compare the past to the present because its a tottaly diffirent sport than it was back then. Hell I couldve been taking testostarone back then and bribing/drugging every fighter and gotten away with it.