RJJ didn't really put on much weight for the Ruiz fight

[djtmal]

instead of fighting bigger fighters, he should have done what hopkins did and found some big name, two division smaller fighters...

[SonnyboyReturns]

I hate when ppl talk about him having to lose 25lbs to fight Tarver the 1st time and this explains his still good but not as usual great performance against him.

For the Ruiz fight he came in at 193, wow he put on 18lbs of muscle for that fight sounds significant but its not like Roy is walking around at 175.

Typically Roy would come in on FN at around 182 still small for a LHW but this leads me to believe that walks around at least this making his weight gain really only around 10lbs at most.

I know they gave a FN weigh in of 200 for Roy but sounds like BS to me because it was a HW fight and why would he come in so much lighter if he didn't have to and risk possibly draining himself giving his opponent an advantage?

Roy is not a huge guy and 193 was all he can put on which is about as much and maybe not even as much as some LHWs walk around at, not to mention he had a full 8 months from the Ruiz fight to lose a measly 10 lbs.

The truth is a combination of time and Tarver being a good and at the time a hungry fighter is what attributed to Roy not looking like superman in that fight......not the moderate amount of weight he put on.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed 25 pounds. But there's a difference between eating/hydrating to gain weight on and doing it by gaining muscle which requires carefully planned conditioning programs. Roy Jones gained about 15ib of muscle to fight at heavyweight and was evident in his physical appearance pre fight. Losing this is difficult anyway but Roy rushed it to make weight in time and drained his body as well as diminishing reflexes, foot speed, hand speed, punching power. Roy probably had this bloated/lethargic feeling the whole fight and it showed on his face.

There's a segment here that talks about it:



0:10-0:31

I know this is Bernard Hopkins, but the principle is the same. This is also talked about in the "sweet science" documentary which I would like to show the timing (as above) but I can't remember where it is.

[Toney616]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed 25 pounds. But there's a difference between eating/hydrating to gain weight on and doing it by gaining muscle which requires carefully planned conditioning programs. Roy Jones gained about 15ib of muscle to fight at heavyweight and was evident in his physical appearance pre fight. Losing this is difficult anyway but Roy rushed it to make weight in time and drained his body as well as diminishing reflexes, foot speed, hand speed, punching power. Roy probably had this bloated/lethargic feeling the whole fight and it showed on his face.

Does anyone know when the negotiations for Jones-Tarver I started?

[TOBYLEE1]

There is a vast difference in losing muscle weight than water/body fat weight. If not given the proper time instead of training to fight it is more like training to loose weight. You need time to get adjusted, Jones was clearly with more muscle by fight night. You can't compare walking weight or rehydrate weight against muscle weight.

[Tiozzo]

roy is the one who stated he had to lose 25 pounds(most of which is muscle) to make the weight for the tarver fight. cmon id expect u to know this.

RJJ also said he would be back where he was at as a fighter before his devastating losses to Tarver and Johnson, which never happened, he just looks more shot with every passing fight

[Tiozzo]

instead of fighting bigger fighters, he should have done what hopkins did and found some big name, two division smaller fighters...

hahaha

well he did

ask Otis Grant

[djtmal]

hahaha

well he did

ask Otis Grant

otis grant? lmmfao...oh yeah...otis grant how can i forget about him...one of the biggest names in the last 10 years...

[CUNTLEE]

have you ever lost PURE muscle??try it and tell me how you perform

[Pullcounter]

I hate when ppl talk about him having to lose 25lbs to fight Tarver the 1st time and this explains his still good but not as usual great performance against him.

For the Ruiz fight he came in at 193, wow he put on 18lbs of muscle for that fight sounds significant but its not like Roy is walking around at 175.

Typically Roy would come in on FN at around 182 still small for a LHW but this leads me to believe that walks around at least this making his weight gain really only around 10lbs at most.

I know they gave a FN weigh in of 200 for Roy but sounds like BS to me because it was a HW fight and why would he come in so much lighter if he didn't have to and risk possibly draining himself giving his opponent an advantage?

Roy is not a huge guy and 193 was all he can put on which is about as much and maybe not even as much as some LHWs walk around at, not to mention he had a full 8 months from the Ruiz fight to lose a measly 10 lbs.

The truth is a combination of time and Tarver being a good and at the time a hungry fighter is what attributed to Roy not looking like superman in that fight......not the moderate amount of weight he put on.

lemme see you lose 20+ lbs of muscle... then talk.

[Clegg]

Whenever this subject comes up I always laugh at how many posters try and comment on losing muscle and clearly have no idea what they're talking about. It's like the PED's stuff, everyone is suddenly an expert on a subject if it involves their favourite fighter.

Losing muscle is not really that hard. If you stop working out and just live like a normal person for a couple of months you'll lose quite a bit (depending on how much you had in the first place of course).

It's hard to know what went on behind the scenes though. Some people say that he was thinking of staying at heavyweight so maybe he didn't try to drop the weight until he started training for Tarver. Maybe he went about it the wrong way, there are lots of ways to lose weight, some healthier than others.

Another thing is that it can also be hard not to put muscle back on. If you lose it, then you return to the gym, your muscles will grow quicker than they did the first time around because of muscle memory. This isn't really a problem for most people but I guess if you're a boxer moving down in weight it could be. You may end up gaining weight in training camp despite being healthy and active. I've never heard of that happening with a boxer though, probably because they have experts a lot of the time who know how to avoid it.

I do think that a lot of the claims made by Roy fans are OTT, but it's true that he never looked the same after moving up weight. I think it might have just been an age thing more than anything.