RJJ didn't really put on much weight for the Ruiz fight

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  • frankenfrank
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    #41
    Originally posted by Spray_resistant
    Even if what you are saying is true, he wouldn't have stayed at that blown up weight permanently up to near the Tarver fight.

    He had 8 months to take it off, you take in less calories you lose weight, up your calorie burning activity you lose weight.

    He had plenty of time so no reason for ppl always discrediting Tarver when really he was just better than the opponents Roy had fought recently around that time.
    Tarver also outdid Jones against Montell Griffin and Glen Johnson.
    Jones outdid Tarver against Clinton Woods , Eric Harding and Reggie Johnson.

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    • esl_4_u
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      #42
      Originally posted by Spray_resistant
      Even if that was the case its not 25lbs from normal like ppl claim because he is not really 175lbs, and plenty of LHWs are walking around at close to 200.
      If you know anything about being an athlete or training you wouldn't make such dumb remarks. Losing even 10lbs would make a significant difference in one's energy, power, endurance, and overall strength. The biggest mistake for boxers who lose weight is that the lose weight to the targeted weight. In actuality, Roy should have went down to sub 170 and then weight trained to get to about 180 then lose the 5lbs prefight. By doing this the fighter will have some strength, not as much as he had at 200...but at least he won't feel as weak and drained. I went from 190 to about 173 in about 50 to 60 days. At 173 I was so weak and I even felt light headed after workouts. My diet was good as well as my sleeping habit. Its just the fact of losing so much muscle when you lose that much weight it takes time for the body to adjust.

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        #43
        Originally posted by oaklandstephen
        he weighed in at 200 or 201 and had to sweat off 25 pounds to make the 175 pounds weight limit right? ok then
        thats 25lbs of muscle, thats a *****. A lhw walks around at 200, he works the weight off to get down but has to work harder to get strong again. You can run all day and eat lettuce to lose weight, wont make u stronger though.. Im not advocating any excuses, Tarver clearly cleand his clock. Im jus sayin..

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          #44
          Originally posted by esl_4_u
          If you know anything about being an athlete or training you wouldn't make such dumb remarks. Losing even 10lbs would make a significant difference in one's energy, power, endurance, and overall strength. The biggest mistake for boxers who lose weight is that the lose weight to the targeted weight. In actuality, Roy should have went down to sub 170 and then weight trained to get to about 180 then lose the 5lbs prefight. By doing this the fighter will have some strength, not as much as he had at 200...but at least he won't feel as weak and drained. I went from 190 to about 173 in about 50 to 60 days. At 173 I was so weak and I even felt light headed after workouts. My diet was good as well as my sleeping habit. Its just the fact of losing so much muscle when you lose that much weight it takes time for the body to adjust.
          He went down to 185, then drained himself to make 175
          -see the fight night weigh in for Tarver-Jones I

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            #45
            Originally posted by frankenfrank
            Tarver also outdid Jones against Montell Griffin and Glen Johnson.
            Jones outdid Tarver against Clinton Woods , Eric Harding and Reggie Johnson.
            I don't think so

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              #46
              Originally posted by -LightsOut-
              I don't think so
              Tarver got his jaw broken by Harding in their first fight and stopped him in the second due to Harding not fully recovered from an injury.
              Jones stopped Harding with no excuses that I heard about.

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                #47
                Originally posted by frankenfrank
                Tarver got his jaw broken by Harding in their first fight and stopped him in the second due to Harding not fully recovered from an injury.
                Don't you give any fighter credit for winning a fight?
                Originally posted by frankenfrank
                Jones stopped Harding with no excuses that I heard about.
                Jones didn't stop Harding, Harding pulled out because of a shoulder injury

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by -LightsOut-
                  Don't you give any fighter credit for winning a fight?

                  Jones didn't stop Harding, Harding pulled out because of a shoulder injury
                  Well , you just gave an example of me giving a fighter credit for winning a fight , but even then it was due to a shoulder injury , but the question is : was it because of the fight or not ? I watched this fight recently and I forgot this fact. The truth is since there is always a reason , many times the "excuses" are the reasons . But not every time.
                  Many times I do give the credit , it is simply then when I do not comment because there is nothing to argue about. I only comment when I sense injustice passing undetected .

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by frankenfrank
                    Well , you just gave an example of me giving a fighter credit for winning a fight , but even then it was due to a shoulder injury , but the question is : was it because of the fight or not ?
                    He was only throwing about 3-4 left crosses from round 1 onwards, so I would say he went into the fight with an injury

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                      #50
                      Steroids or not Jones was a beauty to watch inside the ring and no steroid can teach you those.

                      "With the exception of Jones, I can’t recall any great champion who went from their superhuman peak to being ordinary from one fight to their next, and within a matter of months, and without con****uous injuries or illegal drug or alcohol problems. Even with those three caveats, I cannot think of any great fighter who has gone through such a rapid transformation.

                      In his first fight after the BALCO scandal broke in September 2003, which prompted the federal government to shut the company down, Jones received a hard earned and extremely close decision over Antonio Tarver. That’s the fight in which Joe Calzaghe made the comment that Jones looked human for a change.

                      Where was the speed and power he had showed just eight months earlier against Ruiz? Why couldn’t he break Tarver’s nose or ribs, as in the past? Sure, he had shed any where from eighteen to twenty-four pounds in eight months, and it was claimed this feat weakened him. On the other hand, I just lost four pounds in five days without exercise, and Jones had eight months to lose all of that extra weight he’d packed on for Ruiz. So was it the weight loss that weakened Jones or something else?

                      The former champ was blasted out in two rounds in a rematch with Tarver, and then he looked listless, slow and powerless in getting starched by Glen Johnson. In a rematch with Tarver, Jones ran for his life in lasting the distance. The power, speed and durability he had always exhibited were gone, disappeared, nearly instantaneously—as if by magic. In 2004, writing for blackathlete.com, Elisa Harrison strongly suggested the loss of superman’s powers might have been linked to BALCO, and she might very well have been correct."


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