RJJ didn't really put on much weight for the Ruiz fight

[street bully]

I think you mean Tarver and he had 2 other other chances to prove it was just a bad performance due to this weight he lost but couldn't get it done.

Joneswon the first fight and looked like he had asthma. In the second he just got knocked the **** out. And by the third he just fought like a scarred shell shocked chinless clottey since he was stopped. Twice in a row and was mentally done but still was not to far removed from his physical prime.

[Spray_resistant]

Tarver deserves no credit for the win. I you are a true boxing fan you would know that the Roy after the Ruiz fight was not the same. It was Roys time to go. The maker of this thread has something against rjjr. But in all we know tarver,calzaghe, bhop, Danny green would have never even come close to beating a prime RjJR. End of thread

I am actually a fan, but am calling BS on this 25lb weight loss explanation when it was only about 10 more lbs than usual and some LHWs have to lose about the same on a regular basis to make 175.

It may have factored in who knows, but Tarver was just a damn good fighter and Roy was getting older.

[THE REED]

I just wanted to show he was a pussey for fighting smaller washed up guys.


LOL.

Roy was shot himself by 2008, nobody claims it to be a great win anyway.

And mister tired won the first fight at 175 so it's all irrelevant anyways.

It is... he got caught in the 2nd, fought only 4 months later against a swarmer when he didn't have any legs, got annhilated.. and after that... well he's 36 years old and two brutal losses... you're not just gonna bounce back so easily. Not against elite fighters anyway.

Anyone who this jones wasn't severely drained is kidding themselves. A healthy Roy would have beat Ruiz convincingly like he beat Ll others.

He did beat Ruiz convincingly, street.

lol............

I think you mean Tarver and he had 2 other other chances to prove it was just a bad performance due to this weight he lost but couldn't get it done.

He got caught in the 2nd fight.. it ended in the 2nd round... The third fight, at 35, at LHW after being knocked out by Tarver he fought a volume puncher swarmer with no legs.. like I said... 35-36 years old knocked out twice, after losing 10-12lbs at his age.

And lets not act like the 1st Tarver fight couldn't have not taken anything out of him.. That was a hard fought fight for Roy where he took punishment and was dead tired.

Lets also not forget, at 35.. he was going into his 50th professional fight, while dropping down in weight.

Jones admitted Tarver always had his number.

No he didn't.

Joneswon the first fight and looked like he had asthma. In the second he just got knocked the **** out. And by the third he just fought like a scarred shell shocked chinless clottey since he was stopped. Twice in a row and was mentally done but still was not to far removed from his physical prime.

I thought he had been slowing down physically even before Ruiz, he didn't have the same mobility. Something I noticed in Floyd - Mosley... almost the same age.

I am actually a fan, but am calling BS on this 25lb weight loss explanation when it was only about 10 more lbs than usual and some LHWs have to lose about the same on a regular basis to make 175.

NO... no normal active fighting light heavyweights are losing MUSCLE on a regular basis to make 175, let alone 10 -12lbs of MUSCLE they are losing fat that they gained between fights. The difference is unbelievable.

It may have factored in who knows, but Tarver was just a damn good fighter and Roy was getting older.

Roy WAS getting older, older and losing muscle and Tarver WAS a damn good fighter... .

[SplitSecond]

I am actually a fan, but am calling BS on this 25lb weight loss explanation when it was only about 10 more lbs than usual and some LHWs have to lose about the same on a regular basis to make 175.

It may have factored in who knows, but Tarver was just a damn good fighter and Roy was getting older.

except they lose fat and water instead of muscle.....dumbass

[elgaringo]

Even if what you are saying is true, he wouldn't have stayed at that blown up weight permanently up to near the Tarver fight.

He had 8 months to take it off, you take in less calories you lose weight, up your calorie burning activity you lose weight.

He had plenty of time so no reason for ppl always discrediting Tarver when really he was just better than the opponents Roy had fought recently around that time.

with everything said I believe if jones and tarver would have fought a trilogy a year before they did, Roy would have done much better! Im not saying he'd have nessesarly won all 3 but 2 to 1 for roy at least.

[ghost deini]

except they lose fat and water instead of muscle.....dumbass

exactly

there's no use arguing with morons on this forum they don't know what they are talking about

go red k me again you sensitive pricks

[Toney616]

Anyone who this jones wasn't severely drained is kidding themselves. A healthy Roy would have beat Ruiz convincingly like he beat Ll others.

Great stuff

[Toney616]

exactly

there's no use arguing with morons on this forum they don't know what they are talking about

go red k me again you sensitive pricks

Whether or not Jones was drained is irrelevant, just like whether or not Toney was drained, is irrelevant also. It's their responsibility to prepare properly for fights. Either way he got the win, which makes it even more of a non-issue

[IMDAZED]

Even if what you are saying is true, he wouldn't have stayed at that blown up weight permanently up to near the Tarver fight.

He had 8 months to take it off, you take in less calories you lose weight, up your calorie burning activity you lose weight.

He had plenty of time so no reason for ppl always discrediting Tarver when really he was just better than the opponents Roy had fought recently around that time.

Jones was up to 199 of muscle (not walking around weight) for the Ruiz bout. And he kept himself at 199-200 because he expected to continue to campaign at HW, if not for the Tyson bout then the Holyfield match, which Evander pulled out of at the last minute. The Tarver deal was made at the last minute as well, forcing Jones to cut that muscle in a short period of time.

[frankenfrank]

I hate when ppl talk about him having to lose 25lbs to fight Tarver the 1st time and this explains his still good but not as usual great performance against him.

For the Ruiz fight he came in at 193, wow he put on 18lbs of muscle for that fight sounds significant but its not like Roy is walking around at 175.

Typically Roy would come in on FN at around 182 still small for a LHW but this leads me to believe that walks around at least this making his weight gain really only around 10lbs at most.

I know they gave a FN weigh in of 200 for Roy but sounds like BS to me because it was a HW fight and why would he come in so much lighter if he didn't have to and risk possibly draining himself giving his opponent an advantage?

Roy is not a huge guy and 193 was all he can put on which is about as much and maybe not even as much as some LHWs walk around at, not to mention he had a full 8 months from the Ruiz fight to lose a measly 10 lbs.

The truth is a combination of time and Tarver being a good and at the time a hungry fighter is what attributed to Roy not looking like superman in that fight......not the moderate amount of weight he put on.

Agree with everything , but dehydrating 7 lbs for someone of Roy's weight is really nothing , so there is a possibility he did weigh in 200lbs fight night and weighed in 193 just to magnify the look of his achievement .