Floyd fanz: what peak, great, natural welter has floyd beat?

[cupocity303]

You said peak, great, NATURAL welters, dont change the rules in the middle of the game.

Moving the goal post is a natural instinct of a weak debater.

That's three different criterias that Floyd obviously can't meet.

Natural and Peak? Yes. Great? not. Natural and Great in Mosley yes, but not peak.

The term great is also subjective. If we're talking about a long established Welterweight Champion, then there was none at the time of Floyd's arrival to 147. Trinidad was a great Welterweight and never lost his belt, but he moved up to 154.

Vernon Forrest was about to become a great Welter but lost to Mayorga. Spinks was a Lineal Champ but a flash in the pan, so was Judah and it wasn't Floyd's fault he blew it against Baldomir.

[wpink1]

PAC in 2011

I'm interested though ts do you consider PAC a great fighter seeing as he hasn't fought an elite/peak ww?

I see pacman as being a better pound per pound fighter today based on what he has proven in the ring than mayweather. Now that being said. I think Mayweather will destory pacman when they fight, but MAYWEATHER HAS TO FIGHT HIM.

No one gets credit for talking what they can do. He has to show it, as we never know until they fight. Everyone thought Mosley would beat forrest, or jones beat Tarver. So beating 38 year old mosley, of shot DLH, or the other fighters does not make Mayweather a all time great Welter.

Now pound per pound, is a different story. Mayweather is a great pound per pound fighter. No doubt. However, he still falls short of SRL, Robinson,Ali etc. The 0 is bogus as many people have 0's until they risk it. Calzaghe has a 0. Roy jones had a 0 (or should have) until age 35-36... Was the undisputed lightheavyweight champ and had many more defenses than Mayweather dreamed of. Yes Roy avoided some fights too.

So my point is Mayweather simply needs to fight the best out there. Williams Pacman, If he was to fight these two at welter and beat them, then he would have beaten great peak fighters that is what has been required of all other fighters before we crown them as all time top fighters. We do not crown fighters as all time top fightrs because they have a 0. New gullable fight fans need to review the history before comparing mayweathr to history. If you want to say best today, that is completely different.

[cupocity303]

if you had any modicum of intelligence you would know that with the 24 rehydration rule, fighters are not fighting at their NATURAL WEIGHT.

Ahh insults, love it.

But as the rules are today, NOBODY is fighting at their Walk-around weight, so your argument is rather moot. Anybody and everybody at any weight class isn't A Natural then, since all of them are dropping weight in training camp, and gaining back weight after the weigh-in.

So I'll just stick to what the rules are, and seeing as how Clottey is considered a strong Welterweight (natural) and probably would be a weak Middleweight (Walk-Around), I'll go with that.

Goodbye.

[Bhopreign]

I see pacman as being a better pound per pound fighter today based on what he has proven in the ring than mayweather. Now that being said. I think Mayweather will destory pacman when they fight, but MAYWEATHER HAS TO FIGHT HIM.

No one gets credit for talking what they can do. He has to show it, as we never know until they fight. Everyone thought Mosley would beat forrest, or jones beat Tarver. So beating 38 year old mosley, of shot DLH, or the other fighters does not make Mayweather a all time great Welter.

Now pound per pound, is a different story. Mayweather is a great pound per pound fighter. No doubt. However, he still falls short of SRL, Robinson,Ali etc. The 0 is bogus as many people have 0's until they risk it. Calzaghe has a 0. Roy jones had a 0 (or should have) until age 35-36... Was the undisputed lightheavyweight champ and had many more defenses than Mayweather dreamed of. Yes Roy avoided some fights too.

So my point is Mayweather simply needs to fight the best out there. Williams Pacman, If he was to fight these two at welter and beat them, then he would have beaten great peak fighters that is what has been required of all other fighters before we crown them as all time top fighters. We do not crown fighters as all time top fightrs because they have a 0. New gullable fight fans need to review the history before comparing mayweathr to history. If you want to say best today, that is completely different.

TS when you come up with that natural, great welter that Robinson fought let me know.

[r.burgundy]

I see pacman as being a better pound per pound fighter today based on what he has proven in the ring than mayweather. Now that being said. I think Mayweather will destory pacman when they fight, but MAYWEATHER HAS TO FIGHT HIM.

No one gets credit for talking what they can do. He has to show it, as we never know until they fight. Everyone thought Mosley would beat forrest, or jones beat Tarver. So beating 38 year old mosley, of shot DLH, or the other fighters does not make Mayweather a all time great Welter.

Now pound per pound, is a different story. Mayweather is a great pound per pound fighter. No doubt. However, he still falls short of SRL, Robinson,Ali etc. The 0 is bogus as many people have 0's until they risk it. Calzaghe has a 0. Roy jones had a 0 (or should have) until age 35-36... Was the undisputed lightheavyweight champ and had many more defenses than Mayweather dreamed of. Yes Roy avoided some fights too.

So my point is Mayweather simply needs to fight the best out there. Williams Pacman, If he was to fight these two at welter and beat them, then he would have beaten great peak fighters that is what has been required of all other fighters before we crown them as all time top fighters. We do not crown fighters as all time top fightrs because they have a 0. New gullable fight fans need to review the history before comparing mayweathr to history. If you want to say best today, that is completely different.

mayweather is clearly 1 of the best this decade,as is manny,but the competition at welter is terrible.last great crop of welters were oscar,tito,and quartey.what we have today are a bunch of cheaters.guys who starve themselves down to try and pick on little guys.****s disgusting to me.i dont blame floyd for not fighting these guys or manny for his catchweights

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Moving the goal post is a natural instinct of a weak debater.

That's three different criterias that Floyd obviously can't meet.

Natural and Peak? Yes. Great? not. Natural and Great in Mosley yes, but not peak.

The term great is also subjective. If we're talking about a long established Welterweight Champion, then there was none at the time of Floyd's arrival to 147. Trinidad was a great Welterweight and never lost his belt, but he moved up to 154.

Vernon Forrest was about to become a great Welter but lost to Mayorga. Spinks was a Lineal Champ but a flash in the pan, so was Judah and it wasn't Floyd's fault he blew it against Baldomir.

You all are jokes. You all are stuck on Mayweather **** so much , you cant rise up enought to look at the facts. he is ducking the best fighters in a weight class he has campaigned at.

You aske me about what great fighters robinson beat..I am assuming you are referring to the weight class he campaigned at..That would be welter and middle. Am I correct, or is this too much for you to understand. We are talking about comparing Robinson to Mayweather, debate who is better, thus you compare what great fighters they beat at the weight class they campaigne at ..Am I correct? That is basic boxiing 101.

I say Welter for Mayweather as he has been her since 2005. Has ducked Cotto at weltr, margo at welter, Williams at welter, pacman at welter,

Now compare him to Robinson... or even Leoanrd. Hell go as far as using correles and castillo if you want too, Mayweather comes up short

Not one repsected boxign source, historian, magazine or poll, ranks a single fighter that Mayweather has beaten in any ones top 50 - unless these fighters were old and past their prime (34 dlh 38 mosley) Not one single fighter. Mayweather himself is not ranked in anyone top 25...

I wonder why... could it be that people that actually are intelligent and know boxing and do not suck mayweather **** or are in junior high, understand that he is not doing anything special.

could it be?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Ahh insults, love it.

But as the rules are today, NOBODY is fighting at their Walk-around weight, so your argument is rather moot. Anybody and everybody at any weight class isn't A Natural then, since all of them are dropping weight in training camp, and gaining back weight after the weigh-in.

So I'll just stick to what the rules are, and seeing as how Clottey is a considered a strong Welterweight (natural) and probably would be a weak Middleweight (Walk-Around), I'll go with that.

Goodbye.

first off, pacquiao & floyd are fighting at their walk around weight.


second off, i tell you about the 24 hour rehydration rule & why a lot of fighters are not fighting at their natural weight, you want to pretend you didnt just post this:

When he actually starts fighting at Middleweight, and is at any point unable to make the 147 limit at the weigh-in's, that's when I will consider him something else besides a natural WELTERWEIGHT.

talk about moving the goal post.


goodbye.

[Bhopreign]

You all are jokes. You all are stuck on Mayweather **** so much , you cant rise up enought to look at the facts. he is ducking the best fighters in a weight class he has campaigned at.

You aske me about what great fighters robinson beat..I am assuming you are referring to the weight class he campaigned at..That would be welter and middle. Am I correct, or is this too much for you to understand. We are talking about comparing Robinson to Mayweather, debate who is better, thus you compare what great fighters they beat at the weight class they campaigne at ..Am I correct? That is basic boxiing 101.

I say Welter for Mayweather as he has been her since 2005. Has ducked Cotto at weltr, margo at welter, Williams at welter, pacman at welter,

Now compare him to Robinson... or even Leoanrd. Hell go as far as using correles and castillo if you want too, Mayweather comes up short

Not one repsected boxign source, historian, magazine or poll, ranks a single fighter that Mayweather has beaten in any ones top 50 - unless these fighters were old and past their prime (34 dlh 38 mosley) Not one single fighter. Mayweather himself is not ranked in anyone top 25...

I wonder why... could it be that people that actually are intelligent and know boxing and do not suck mayweather **** or are in junior high, understand that he is not doing anything special.

could it be?

Ducking and dodging.

[cupocity303]

You all are jokes. You all are stuck on Mayweather **** so much , you cant rise up enought to look at the facts. he is ducking the best fighters in a weight class he has campaigned at.

You are getting emotional again, .



Keep that vagina of yours in check please.

[wpink1]

TS when you come up with that natural, great welter that Robinson fought let me know.

You show your lack of boxing knowlege. I addressed this. Already. Funny how instead of an answer you are trying to find a way out. Robinson beat peak fighters that were at there natural weight, and they were great.

You want to back away and avoid the real issue. Which is name what great welter did Mayweather beat that was peak and and at their natural weight. Hmmm. Any idiot can read that and understand the point is what great fighter at their natural weight did mayweather beat. The weight class of Welter is irrelevant unless idiot we are saying who was the best welter of all time.

Is that the arugment. I do not think so, as I was the one who started this thread and that was no my argument.

If you want to have that argument lets have that arugment. but first tell me what peak fighter that was great that Mayweather beat at the weight class he is campaigning in...That would be welter, since he has been there since 2005.

If you want that agurment...about specificllly welter..then lets discuss SRL...

You want co compare whitackers resume...

Your boy mayweathr is a joke...