24 hr. RE-HYDRATION RULE makes CRITICISM of CATCHWEIGHT fights ILLEGITIMATE

[Left Hook Tua]

yes i think its an advantage in the cotto fight, cotto has had to train that little bit harder to lose that little bit of extra weight. so in that sense that is a disadvantage to cotto.

yes i suppose it can work both ways.

and your right, super weltwerweight is above 147 and below 155, its not above 147 and below 150 if you see what i mean!

training harder is not necessarily a bad thing.


no one said super welterweight was 147-150.

but if you hold a fight at 150 , it's a super welterweight fight.

[shade darkar]

training harder is not necessarily a bad thing.


no one said super welterweight was 147-150.

but if you hold a fight at 150 , it's a super welterweight fight.

you know what i mean tho! its also wrong IMO to be having titles on catchweight fights. we will get to a point where pac will be calling out david haye at a catchweight of 160 for the heavyweight title!

[Left Hook Tua]

you know what i mean tho! its also wrong IMO to be having titles on catchweight fights. we will get to a point where pac will be calling out david haye at a catchweight of 160 for the heavyweight title!

blame the sanctioning bodies.

pac could just fight marg at 147 tbh.

150-151 is for marg's benefit (plus arum just wants to call it a title fight for promotional purposes)

paper belts don't mean ****.

boxing fans know pwill and sergio are the real guys at 154.

that paper belt nonsense is just for promotion so casual fans will think of it as a championship.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

ehhh.....

catchweights were originally designed to even the playing field not to give one person an advantage.

usually it's when a smaller fighter fights a bigger one.


say you have a 135 champ and a 140 champ.

a 138 catchweight would be a fair compromise.

well according to cliff rold, catch weights were made not because of medical malfeasance but to prevent cancellation of bouts:

LOL...do you have studies which would back your claims that it doesn't? It's not like the day before weigh-in was decided upon by volumes of medical research. It was a reactionary decision largely after Spinks-Eddie Muhammad fell apart on the scale to protect against late cancellations.

Logically, drinking less water and eating less food while your opponent doesn't have to puts the opponent at a conditioning disadvantage. Making weight often requires that anyways and its hard as hell; catchweights ask for even more of it. Depending on how tough the extra pounds shaved were, and its assumed conditional, it can make the rehydration period both fighters enjoy a recovery period for one.

Further, the arguments about AA etc. are pointless in this context. When he didn't feel he could safely make 160 (or found it more profitable not too), he moved up to give himself 8 more lbs. to play with. That's the safest play. Margarito moved up with seven pounds to play with that becomes 3 for this fight. Will it hurt him? Maybe or maybe not. No way of knowing how he individually responds.

bingo.

exactly.

there you go.

now why are you trying to pass yourself off as a physician or a catchweight medical researcher who knows about the exact harrowing consequences of catchweight fights?

the 24 hr. weigh in was made to prevent cancellations. it was not made because of medical malfeasance. why act like it?

why the outcry?

ive already listed fighters who fight in divisions way too small for them & continually win. yet posters & boxing writers know the evil effects & disadvantages of catchweight fights?

cmon people. stop lying to yourselves.

pernell whitaker was made to do a catchweight vs chavez. who got affected by it? pernell or the boxing judges?


unbelievable.

yet after giving the answer as to why catch weights were made, rold goes on & gives his own medical opinion as to why catch weights are a disadvantage.

[Pin Galarga]

I think Pacquiao can win a Heavyweight title this way. Just make a catchweight of 160 and starve the big guy for a month or two. Then say that you are a 16 weight class champion.. Only in the Pilipines!
He so great, He so fast, He so strong.. He can do it.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

UPDATED POST IN REGARDS TO PWILL VS MARTINEZ CATCH WEIGHT REQUEST:

anybody who criticizes catchweight fights as a way to discredit a fighter are ignorant, pretentious, & ****** hacks pretending to be physicians & medical researchers with vast amounts of medical data to support the ill effects of catchweights.

In fact, almost all evidence point to catchweights or "weight drained" excuse as being flaccid placebos.

winner of martinez vs paul williams gets full credit. catchweight has absolutley ZERO effect on the outcome of the fight just like in pac vs cotto, sweet pea vs chavez, oscar vs hopkins, & almost all the other catchweight fights the cry baby b*tches want to talk about.

24 rehydration completely removes any advantages or disadvantages of catchweights.

the reason why fighters ask for them is the false sense of security or edge they THINK THEY GET from it.

catcweights = placebos.


Pernell Whitaker had a catch weight vs Chavez Sr., how come he totally dominated Chavez Sr.? How come his performance wasnt affected?

Bernard Hopkins had a catch weight vs Oscar, how come Hopkins performance wasnt affected?

You wanna know why?

because catch weight = placebos. They are nothing more than a mental advantage than a physical advantage.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Size & weight dont win fights, fighters win fights.

[Canelo Phresh]

what about the rehydration clauses? theres rumors of pac having opponents agree to only rehydrate to a certain degree or they have to pay another penalty.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

what about the rehydration clauses? theres rumors of pac having opponents agree to only rehydrate to a certain degree or they have to pay another penalty.

rumors.

what's next, rumors we didnt land on the moon?

[Canelo Phresh]

rumors.

what's next, rumors we didnt land on the moon?

i wish we could read the contracts.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

i wish we could read the contracts.

its a absurd rumor that if im correct has been denied by team pac.

as long as the size discrepancy is not such a ridiculous gap, size & weight between two elite fighters dont matter where one fighter is just that much better than the other.

pacquiao has been weighing in at the 140-147 range since his 130 lb days. just use simple common sense & figure out that he's now fighting at welterweight which is his normal walking around weight. even the supposed bigger fighters he was facing was not really that much bigger than him that pac's skill set was just gonna get overwhelmed with their size.

david diaz is only 5'7 at the most. he fought at 135. miguel cotto is 5'8 at the most. he fought at 147. ricky hatton is the same height as pac. he fought at 140.

look at all those weights. Pac's walking around weight is higher than those guys fighting weight. there was really no size advanatage when you think about it.

the only time actual size advantage came into play was vs clottey who was 160 by fight night. the only problem is that pac's skillset & greatness came into play & trumped clottey's size & weight.

this is not that hard to understand if you take out the hate when analyzing. i even know deep down inside that marquez vs floyd outcome had nothing to do with weight but skills & style.