STICKY: To all you boxing douchebags…read this!

[Leglo]

On whether you're an MMGAY fan looking to stir up trouble on a boxing forum? I think that's pretty evident,don't you?


Stick to watching glass jawed grapplers and run along back to sherdog with the rest of the closet case's.

I dont understand your anger with MMA. Both boxing and MMA are great sports.

[Fanofallsports]

Since you're not getting the hint... Leave. Why are you here?

We do not talk MMA on this forum. At all. I guess I have to repeat myself, but before the Toney fiasco, there may have been one MMA topic a week that garnered 10-12 posts, then withered away.

Why would I or should I leave? Because you don't like it???? Don't participate or read the thread if you don't like the topic. It really is a simple concept.

Apparently, there are people on this board that do talk some MMA - as it relates to boxing - on this board, as demonstrated by the participation on this and other threads.

[Leglo]

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As Couture said in this post fight interview, he had planned to shoot in very low on Toney.

[MidnightBliss]

Note that I didn’t make the title “to all you boxing fans”, as I’m aware that not all boxing fans are douches, but that there are douches out here that happen to be boxing fans. This is also no different than MMA douchebags…as there are MMA fans that don’t happen to be douchebags, but that there are MMA douchebags that are MMA fans.

This post is aimed at the boxing douchebags on this forum (but can most certainly be aimed at any other douchebag out there in this world too. We just happen to be on a boxing forum right now).

You’ll figure out if you’re a boxing douchebag or not if you didn’t previously understand what you’re about to read.

1. As you all know, the sport of boxing requires an immense amount of skill, strength and toughness. It does not need to be validated as a sport. It can stand legitimately all on its own as both a sport and as a “martial art” unique unto its own, and doesn’t have to prove its validity to anyone.

But you boxing “douches” should also acknowledge that all the other martial arts such as jiu jitsu, karate, wrestling, muay thai, combat sambo etc. should be judged in the same vein as the aforementioned…and quit being so dismissive of these other sports as if boxing is somehow “superior” to them. None of these sports are “superior” to one another…they are legitimate in their own rights, but yet they are different and require different skills.

2. The sport of “Mixed Martial Arts” is a competitive forum that takes participants who practice one, some, all (or even none!) of the existing martial arts, and gives these participants a playing field with a structure that does its best to minimize restricting rules, so that it’s competition thus allows any practicing “martial artist” the ability to use his skill set with little to no hindrance in using those skills in a combat contest. There is virtually nothing in MMA that restricts a boxer from using all the tools in his tool box, with maybe the exception of defensive capabilities due to the smaller gloves.

3. Believe it or not, boxing skills are HIGHLY VALUED in mixed martial arts. However in MMA it has been acknowledged that there are many other skills that an effective MMA fighter must have in his arsenal in order to be successful. You will rarely find an MMA practitioner who would remotely suggest that boxing skills aren’t valued in MMA. Because of this an MMA practitioner has to cross train in many other “arts” and cannot devote 100% of his energies to boxing – and thus it would take a very rare athlete indeed who has been bred in MMA to be able to step into the boxing ring and take on a world-class boxer. MMA practitioners acknowledge this reality.

Asking a guy like Randy Couture to step into the boxing ring with James Toney is not the same thing as James Toney stepping into the Octagon with Randy Couture. Asking Randy Couture to step into the ring is the same as Randy Couture asking James Toney to have a Greco-Roman wrestling match with him – that’s a better parallel. MMA is a middle-ground that gives a forum where a fighter – who may happen to have world class boxing skills, and a fighter – who may happen to have world class wrestling skills - can partake in combat while using all their available skill sets and see who walks away in the end. The problem with the Couture/Toney bout is that Couture has also rounded all his other skills to complement his wrestling while Toney has a one-dimensional skill set.

Toney had no chance in that bout…but not because he was a boxer, but because he was ONLY a boxer. Couture is a wrestler – and a boxer, and a jiu-jitsu practitioner (who was just awarded his black-belt that night!) and a student of MMA for 15 years.

4. There is no reason why a highly skilled boxer cannot transfer over to and succeed in MMA. What may limit his possibilities for success is his ability to round out his game so that other weaknesses aren’t exploited by his opponents. This is no different than other martial arts competing in MMA. For example, there are jiu-jitsu world champions who haven’t yet become champions in MMA.

Brock Lesnar was a first class NCAA 2x Division 1 wrestling champion with a 106-5 record – he had legitimate martial arts skills, yet all you hear his detractors talk about is that he was some sort of freakshow from WWE fake wrestling. That wasn’t fair.

However, he also lost his first match to a highly skilled jiu jitsu practitioner in his first UFC bout, and it took a few years of martial arts training for him to be able to defend against those competitors, and now Lesnar is even showing some legitimate martial arts skills himself as demonstrated with his last win where he submitted Shane Carwin with a modified Anaconda choke. However, the dude didn’t just show up off the street with no skills – he had been training all his life, never mind that he is also a freak of nature athletically.

A freak of nature boxer could possibly do the same thing as Lesnar and Couture…but it’s near impossible to do if they don’t have other training to go along with it.

5. There is talk that some boxers such as Kermit Cintron (spelling?) or Mayorga might have success if they crossed over because they have learned some rounded skills and are first class boxers. MMA fans would love to ****ing see these guys come over. MMA fans do not have an aversion to seeing great boxers come over and test their skills. What MMA fans don’t like is hearing boxing proponents trashing their sport and dismissing it as if these guys would just walk in and clean house.

There may be a day that a boxer with rounded skills might enter the form and dominate – as this has happened for many other martial arts. MMA is an equal opportunity employer.

There have been wrestlers who’ve done that. And there was a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert who did that in the early years. And there was a Karate expert who did. Combat Sambo experts too!! MMA fans wonder how Manny Pacquio might do – they would love to see how he would do because many feel he has traits that would translate over well to MMA with some training.

MMA fans would also love to see PBF get the beatdown of his life because all they hear is his mouth and they believe that he doesn’t quite have the same type of character or have the same positive traits as a Pacquio which might translate over well.

6. Get off this Boxing v MMA bull****. Who the **** cares? Why can’t people just enjoy both sports for what they are and recognize that they are legitimate in their own rights.

It would be a very rare day that a pure boxer can come over and whoop ass on an MMA fighter in the Octagon. Same goes for an MMA fighter who might fight a world class boxer, or world class jiu jitsu fighter, or a world class wrestler who attempts to cross over into their world.

Randy Couture is as unlikely to beat James Toney in the boxing ring as James Toney is as unlikely to beat Randy Couture in a Greco Roman match. You never know though…James Toney may have been able to beat Randy Couture in the Octagon if he had had a few years of rounding off some other martial arts skills – but unfortunately that never happened.

So all you boxing “douchebags”…quit stepping on MMA fan’s nuts. To all you real boxing “fans”, just tune out the MMA “douchebag’s” – MMA fans can’t stand those douchebags either.

All these fans of both sports really want is a little respect and validation for their passion instead of just getting **** sling at them on all the time.

Peace and out.

Great post man you made some good points there.

But its sad to know that ignorant people still wont get the point at all.

[Run]

LMFAO @ all the butt hurt delusional boxing loyalists who dislike MMA, so they backpeddle, ***** and whine when things don't go the way they'd like. Sad as ****.

Someone needs to bump all the prediction threads, where the same posters were claiming Toney was going to beat Couture.

Instead of admitting they were wrong, they merely attack MMA some more. Go post more fantasy about future fights.

Then you'll be butt hurt all over again.



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[SmoothMon]

Why would I or should I leave? Because you don't like it???? Don't participate or read the thread if you don't like the topic. It really is a simple concept.

Apparently, there are people on this board that do talk some MMA - as it relates to boxing - on this board, as demonstrated by the participation on this and other threads.

MMA is streetfighting. Its like playing any given sport with all the rules off. For example:like basketball with no out of bounds, football with no offsides,soccer...but you can use your hands, boxing..but u could kick and wrestle.Some people, like my self, dont like sports where other Real Sports are combined and manipulated to make wild ass, no-holds-barred retarted step child sports. Simple my man I hope this helps

[DiLLiNGER]

they have no skills in the MMA..it's either a fat slob or a nice roided up punk lol

boxing is a world sport while MMA is just an invention for keeping douchebags satysfied.

[prinzemanspopa]

I dont understand your anger with MMA. Both boxing and MMA are great sports.

Correction: boxing is a great sport.


MMGAY is not only not great,but it isn't a sport,either.

As previously discussed in this thread, the Sylvia-Mercer fight was fought under some weird surcomstances.

Yes,they're called MMGAY rules.I don't know how to explain them,but that what they are and those are the rules old man Mercer knocked out a top ten MMGAY heavyweight.

How do you demonstrate proof like this?

Any time a glass jawed grappler makes contact with the other's chin.To give just one example: getting dropped and knocked out in the first seven seconds of a fight by a light paw.

[Fanofallsports]

MMA is streetfighting. Its like playing any given sport with all the rules off. For example:like basketball with no out of bounds, football with no offsides,soccer...but you can use your hands, boxing..but u could kick and wrestle.Some people, like my self, dont like sports where other Real Sports are combined and manipulated to make wild ass, no-holds-barred retarted step child sports. Simple my man I hope this helps

Well, I can respect if you don't like a sport.

However, you are mistaken if you don't think that there are any rules or structure in mma.

And the logic you have for not liking mma is akin to saying that a person can't like NFL football simply because it evolved from footy (soccer) to rugby to the game of football as North Americans know it as today.

I can appreciate it if a person doesn't like a sport if they don't understand it...but it does appear that you're a little misinformed about the sport.

[Fanofallsports]

Correction: boxing is a great sport.


MMGAY is not only not great,but it isn't a sport,either.







Yes,they're called MMGAY rules.I don't know how to explain them,but that what they are and those are the rules old man Mercer knocked out a top ten MMGAY heavyweight.








Any time a glass jawed grappler makes contact with the other's chin.To give just one example: getting dropped and knocked out in the first seven seconds of a fight by a light paw.

Oh, ok. So a guy in MMA gets knocked out in 7 seconds and now all of a sudden the sport is "gay" (whatever that is supposed to mean?!?! ****phobic much?)

Oh...wait...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...ing_match_ever

Quickest Knockout ever:

Russell Rees stopped Des Sowden in just 4 seconds on Friday November 3, 2000, Leisure Centre, Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales. Sowden was knocked out by first punch just 4 seconds into the fight. The quickest recorded knockout in boxing history.

Ever Beleño stopped Guillermo Salcedo in 5 seconds on Friday 16 September 1994. The shortest KO record in the world.

Oliver Rubin stopped Peter Simko in 5 seconds on Friday, February 8, 2002, Imperial Gym, Budapest, Hungary.


José (Espinaca) Pons, knocked out Cecilio Niz, both Argentinians, in only 5 seconds, in the Luna Park Stadium of Buenos Aires, CF, Argentina, on March 26, 1952; this is the record for a South American professional fight.

Jack Roberts stopped Tony Milam in 6 seconds in Corpus Christi, TX on Wednesday, March 29, 1939.

Peter McNeeley had a 6 second TKO over Frankie Hines.

Ricky Parkey stopped Broderick Mason in 8 seconds on Tuesday 11 December 1984.

Phil Williams KO Brandon Burke in 10 seconds

Teddy Baker stopped Bob Roberts in 10 seconds.

Jeremy Williams stopped Arthur Weathers in 10 seconds on Tuesday, March 19, 1996, Spruce Goose, Long Beach, CA


Marty Lindquist stopped Max Alexander in 10 seconds, National Guard Armory, Philadelphia, PA on October 14, 2006.
* Lindquist landed a right hand with the opening bell on a unsuspecting Alexander leaving him unconscious for several minutes
* official time of stoppage was 10 seconds
* on November 1st 2006 the Pennsylvania State Athletic Commission ruled the fight a No Contest because Lindquist failed the pre fight drug test.

The quickest knockout in recorded history, including the full 10 count from the ref, was a welterweight fight from 1946, when Al Couture knocked out Ralph Walton in 10.5 seconds.

Jack Dempsey KO Tony Drake in 11 seconds
George Warner KO Mike Russo in 11 seconds
Sid Hitchins KO Trino Perez in 11 seconds
Shannon Briggs KO Luciano Zolyone in 11 seconds
Rudy Zymeck stopped Alec Luke in 11 seconds on October 9, 1939 in Newark, N.J.
Joe Jakes stopped Al Foreman in 11 seconds on January 14, 1942 in Brooklyn, N.Y.
George Wyoming Warner stopped Mike Russo in 11 seconds on August 15, 1927 in Shibe Park, Philadelphia, PA

Battling Nelson KO William Rossler in 12 seconds
Nicky Piper KO John Ellis in 12 seconds
Billy Weeks KO Romeo Hagen in 12 seconds
Freddie Pendleton KO Kevin Sedam in 12 seconds
Angel Torres KO Gabriel Krizan in 12 seconds
Henry Crawford KO Adam Wynant in 12 seconds
Jerry Coursol stopped Larry Baker in 12 seconds on June 21, 1944 in Elizabeth, N.J.