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Note that I didn’t make the title “to all you boxing fans”, as I’m aware that not all boxing fans are douches, but that there are douches out here that happen to be boxing fans. This is also no different than MMA douchebags…as there are MMA fans that don’t happen to be douchebags, but that there are MMA douchebags that are MMA fans.
This post is aimed at the boxing douchebags on this forum (but can most certainly be aimed at any other douchebag out there in this world too. We just happen to be on a boxing forum right now).
You’ll figure out if you’re a boxing douchebag or not if you didn’t previously understand what you’re about to read.
1. As you all know, the sport of boxing requires an immense amount of skill, strength and toughness. It does not need to be validated as a sport. It can stand legitimately all on its own as both a sport and as a “martial art” unique unto its own, and doesn’t have to prove its validity to anyone.
But you boxing “douches” should also acknowledge that all the other martial arts such as jiu jitsu, karate, wrestling, muay thai, combat sambo etc. should be judged in the same vein as the aforementioned…and quit being so dismissive of these other sports as if boxing is somehow “superior” to them. None of these sports are “superior” to one another…they are legitimate in their own rights, but yet they are different and require different skills.
2. The sport of “Mixed Martial Arts” is a competitive forum that takes participants who practice one, some, all (or even none!) of the existing martial arts, and gives these participants a playing field with a structure that does its best to minimize restricting rules, so that it’s competition thus allows any practicing “martial artist” the ability to use his skill set with little to no hindrance in using those skills in a combat contest. There is virtually nothing in MMA that restricts a boxer from using all the tools in his tool box, with maybe the exception of defensive capabilities due to the smaller gloves.
3. Believe it or not, boxing skills are HIGHLY VALUED in mixed martial arts. However in MMA it has been acknowledged that there are many other skills that an effective MMA fighter must have in his arsenal in order to be successful. You will rarely find an MMA practitioner who would remotely suggest that boxing skills aren’t valued in MMA. Because of this an MMA practitioner has to cross train in many other “arts” and cannot devote 100% of his energies to boxing – and thus it would take a very rare athlete indeed who has been bred in MMA to be able to step into the boxing ring and take on a world-class boxer. MMA practitioners acknowledge this reality.
Asking a guy like Randy Couture to step into the boxing ring with James Toney is not the same thing as James Toney stepping into the Octagon with Randy Couture. Asking Randy Couture to step into the ring is the same as Randy Couture asking James Toney to have a Greco-Roman wrestling match with him – that’s a better parallel. MMA is a middle-ground that gives a forum where a fighter – who may happen to have world class boxing skills, and a fighter – who may happen to have world class wrestling skills - can partake in combat while using all their available skill sets and see who walks away in the end. The problem with the Couture/Toney bout is that Couture has also rounded all his other skills to complement his wrestling while Toney has a one-dimensional skill set.
Toney had no chance in that bout…but not because he was a boxer, but because he was ONLY a boxer. Couture is a wrestler – and a boxer, and a jiu-jitsu practitioner (who was just awarded his black-belt that night!) and a student of MMA for 15 years.
4. There is no reason why a highly skilled boxer cannot transfer over to and succeed in MMA. What may limit his possibilities for success is his ability to round out his game so that other weaknesses aren’t exploited by his opponents. This is no different than other martial arts competing in MMA. For example, there are jiu-jitsu world champions who haven’t yet become champions in MMA.
Brock Lesnar was a first class NCAA 2x Division 1 wrestling champion with a 106-5 record – he had legitimate martial arts skills, yet all you hear his detractors talk about is that he was some sort of freakshow from WWE fake wrestling. That wasn’t fair.
However, he also lost his first match to a highly skilled jiu jitsu practitioner in his first UFC bout, and it took a few years of martial arts training for him to be able to defend against those competitors, and now Lesnar is even showing some legitimate martial arts skills himself as demonstrated with his last win where he submitted Shane Carwin with a modified Anaconda choke. However, the dude didn’t just show up off the street with no skills – he had been training all his life, never mind that he is also a freak of nature athletically.
A freak of nature boxer could possibly do the same thing as Lesnar and Couture…but it’s near impossible to do if they don’t have other training to go along with it.
5. There is talk that some boxers such as Kermit Cintron (spelling?) or Mayorga might have success if they crossed over because they have learned some rounded skills and are first class boxers. MMA fans would love to ****ing see these guys come over. MMA fans do not have an aversion to seeing great boxers come over and test their skills. What MMA fans don’t like is hearing boxing proponents trashing their sport and dismissing it as if these guys would just walk in and clean house.
There may be a day that a boxer with rounded skills might enter the form and dominate – as this has happened for many other martial arts. MMA is an equal opportunity employer.
There have been wrestlers who’ve done that. And there was a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert who did that in the early years. And there was a Karate expert who did. Combat Sambo experts too!! MMA fans wonder how Manny Pacquio might do – they would love to see how he would do because many feel he has traits that would translate over well to MMA with some training.
MMA fans would also love to see PBF get the beatdown of his life because all they hear is his mouth and they believe that he doesn’t quite have the same type of character or have the same positive traits as a Pacquio which might translate over well.
6. Get off this Boxing v MMA bull****. Who the **** cares? Why can’t people just enjoy both sports for what they are and recognize that they are legitimate in their own rights.
It would be a very rare day that a pure boxer can come over and whoop ass on an MMA fighter in the Octagon. Same goes for an MMA fighter who might fight a world class boxer, or world class jiu jitsu fighter, or a world class wrestler who attempts to cross over into their world.
Randy Couture is as unlikely to beat James Toney in the boxing ring as James Toney is as unlikely to beat Randy Couture in a Greco Roman match. You never know though…James Toney may have been able to beat Randy Couture in the Octagon if he had had a few years of rounding off some other martial arts skills – but unfortunately that never happened.
So all you boxing “douchebags”…quit stepping on MMA fan’s nuts. To all you real boxing “fans”, just tune out the MMA “douchebag’s” – MMA fans can’t stand those douchebags either.
All these fans of both sports really want is a little respect and validation for their passion instead of just getting **** sling at them on all the time.
Peace and out.
This post is aimed at the boxing douchebags on this forum (but can most certainly be aimed at any other douchebag out there in this world too. We just happen to be on a boxing forum right now).
You’ll figure out if you’re a boxing douchebag or not if you didn’t previously understand what you’re about to read.
1. As you all know, the sport of boxing requires an immense amount of skill, strength and toughness. It does not need to be validated as a sport. It can stand legitimately all on its own as both a sport and as a “martial art” unique unto its own, and doesn’t have to prove its validity to anyone.
But you boxing “douches” should also acknowledge that all the other martial arts such as jiu jitsu, karate, wrestling, muay thai, combat sambo etc. should be judged in the same vein as the aforementioned…and quit being so dismissive of these other sports as if boxing is somehow “superior” to them. None of these sports are “superior” to one another…they are legitimate in their own rights, but yet they are different and require different skills.
2. The sport of “Mixed Martial Arts” is a competitive forum that takes participants who practice one, some, all (or even none!) of the existing martial arts, and gives these participants a playing field with a structure that does its best to minimize restricting rules, so that it’s competition thus allows any practicing “martial artist” the ability to use his skill set with little to no hindrance in using those skills in a combat contest. There is virtually nothing in MMA that restricts a boxer from using all the tools in his tool box, with maybe the exception of defensive capabilities due to the smaller gloves.
3. Believe it or not, boxing skills are HIGHLY VALUED in mixed martial arts. However in MMA it has been acknowledged that there are many other skills that an effective MMA fighter must have in his arsenal in order to be successful. You will rarely find an MMA practitioner who would remotely suggest that boxing skills aren’t valued in MMA. Because of this an MMA practitioner has to cross train in many other “arts” and cannot devote 100% of his energies to boxing – and thus it would take a very rare athlete indeed who has been bred in MMA to be able to step into the boxing ring and take on a world-class boxer. MMA practitioners acknowledge this reality.
Asking a guy like Randy Couture to step into the boxing ring with James Toney is not the same thing as James Toney stepping into the Octagon with Randy Couture. Asking Randy Couture to step into the ring is the same as Randy Couture asking James Toney to have a Greco-Roman wrestling match with him – that’s a better parallel. MMA is a middle-ground that gives a forum where a fighter – who may happen to have world class boxing skills, and a fighter – who may happen to have world class wrestling skills - can partake in combat while using all their available skill sets and see who walks away in the end. The problem with the Couture/Toney bout is that Couture has also rounded all his other skills to complement his wrestling while Toney has a one-dimensional skill set.
Toney had no chance in that bout…but not because he was a boxer, but because he was ONLY a boxer. Couture is a wrestler – and a boxer, and a jiu-jitsu practitioner (who was just awarded his black-belt that night!) and a student of MMA for 15 years.
4. There is no reason why a highly skilled boxer cannot transfer over to and succeed in MMA. What may limit his possibilities for success is his ability to round out his game so that other weaknesses aren’t exploited by his opponents. This is no different than other martial arts competing in MMA. For example, there are jiu-jitsu world champions who haven’t yet become champions in MMA.
Brock Lesnar was a first class NCAA 2x Division 1 wrestling champion with a 106-5 record – he had legitimate martial arts skills, yet all you hear his detractors talk about is that he was some sort of freakshow from WWE fake wrestling. That wasn’t fair.
However, he also lost his first match to a highly skilled jiu jitsu practitioner in his first UFC bout, and it took a few years of martial arts training for him to be able to defend against those competitors, and now Lesnar is even showing some legitimate martial arts skills himself as demonstrated with his last win where he submitted Shane Carwin with a modified Anaconda choke. However, the dude didn’t just show up off the street with no skills – he had been training all his life, never mind that he is also a freak of nature athletically.
A freak of nature boxer could possibly do the same thing as Lesnar and Couture…but it’s near impossible to do if they don’t have other training to go along with it.
5. There is talk that some boxers such as Kermit Cintron (spelling?) or Mayorga might have success if they crossed over because they have learned some rounded skills and are first class boxers. MMA fans would love to ****ing see these guys come over. MMA fans do not have an aversion to seeing great boxers come over and test their skills. What MMA fans don’t like is hearing boxing proponents trashing their sport and dismissing it as if these guys would just walk in and clean house.
There may be a day that a boxer with rounded skills might enter the form and dominate – as this has happened for many other martial arts. MMA is an equal opportunity employer.
There have been wrestlers who’ve done that. And there was a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert who did that in the early years. And there was a Karate expert who did. Combat Sambo experts too!! MMA fans wonder how Manny Pacquio might do – they would love to see how he would do because many feel he has traits that would translate over well to MMA with some training.
MMA fans would also love to see PBF get the beatdown of his life because all they hear is his mouth and they believe that he doesn’t quite have the same type of character or have the same positive traits as a Pacquio which might translate over well.
6. Get off this Boxing v MMA bull****. Who the **** cares? Why can’t people just enjoy both sports for what they are and recognize that they are legitimate in their own rights.
It would be a very rare day that a pure boxer can come over and whoop ass on an MMA fighter in the Octagon. Same goes for an MMA fighter who might fight a world class boxer, or world class jiu jitsu fighter, or a world class wrestler who attempts to cross over into their world.
Randy Couture is as unlikely to beat James Toney in the boxing ring as James Toney is as unlikely to beat Randy Couture in a Greco Roman match. You never know though…James Toney may have been able to beat Randy Couture in the Octagon if he had had a few years of rounding off some other martial arts skills – but unfortunately that never happened.
So all you boxing “douchebags”…quit stepping on MMA fan’s nuts. To all you real boxing “fans”, just tune out the MMA “douchebag’s” – MMA fans can’t stand those douchebags either.
All these fans of both sports really want is a little respect and validation for their passion instead of just getting **** sling at them on all the time.
Peace and out.
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