Just re watched Cotto vs Margarito

[jazluvr]

I had the Margo-Cotto fight recorded on dvr...i rewatched it a couple time to reference in conversations-debates in the past, but i had to erase it. As much as i hate to admit it, it pains me to watch that fight. No diss to Tony, I don't want to discuss wraps anymore, but man, he did have one hell of a chin, I'll give him that, and he was in his prime. That being said, yeah, he did eat some decent shots from Cotto, and Shane capitalized on that and very well may have cracked that iron jaw.

If and when he fights Manny, we will see. I still say Manny stops him in the middle-late rounds. Manny is just too fast and it's the punches you don't see that hurt. Hit me up for bets.

[fenixbb]

You guys watched the Cotto vs Margarito fight right ? Some of you guys agreed that Mosley hits harder than Cotto but how could Margarito busted Cotto's nose in round 2 ! Just watch the fight again and you see that even Cotto could not believe it that he started bleeding from his nose. Maybe Maragrito had really loaded gloves.

[HandSpeed303]

You guys watched the Cotto vs Margarito fight right ? Some of you guys agreed that Mosley hits harder than Cotto but how could Margarito busted Cotto's nose in round 2 ! Just watch the fight again and you see that even Cotto could not believe it that he started bleeding from his nose. Maybe Maragrito had really loaded gloves.

You know, the uppercut is one of the most damaging punches in boxing (do to the angle that it is thrown, and most never see it coming). Know just imagen if you lean into say, 4 or 5 straight uppercuts...Then several others later in the round, as you are trapped in a corner...

That is what did damage to Cotto's nose...Take Oscar/Forbes for example. That punch (uppercut) landed funny on Oscar's face, remember what happened?

Not to mention, I thought it took several rounds for the plaster to set?

[fenixbb]

You know, the uppercut is one of the most damaging punches in boxing (do to the angle that it is thrown, and most never see it coming). Know just imagen if you lean into say, 4 or 5 straight uppercuts...Then several others later in the round, as you are trapped in a corner...

That is what did damage to Cotto's nose...Take Oscar/Forbes for example. That punch (uppercut) landed funny on Oscar's face, remember what happened?

Not to mention, I thought it took several rounds for the plaster to set?

Do you want to say that Margarito fought fair and square in the ring ?

[HandSpeed303]

Do you want to say that Margarito fought fair and square in the ring ?

To be honset with you, I don't even care anymore...

I just hate how people don't take anything into consideration. Okay, so he might have loaded his gloves. Feel better now? Now, lets look at the fact that Cotto ate more leather in that fight, than any other (beside Pac after that). Cotto ate uppercut after uppercut, body shot after body shot, straight right, and a few left hooks, one that hurt him...

The man was getting touched all night...Did plaster do that?

Do you remember the steriod rumors after the fight? I do!

Do you remember fans saying that Cotto looked like Collins a week after the fight? I do! Then CHAMPBOXPR (or whatever his name was) posted a pic of Cotto at the Mark Ehco party (a week or so after the fight)....Cotto had no swelling at all on his face...Matter of fact, he just had a ****ade on his eye (small one at that, for the cut he suffered)...Point is, the "plaster" really didn't do as much damge as people claim it did...If there was any to begin with.

People have always looked for something in that fight (even before the Mosley deal) to say it wasn't fair. The man with less skill won, and folks still can't deal with it. Period.

[taino78]

cotto was a pure head hunter in that fight. he found it so easy to hit marg to the head that he just kept doing it. i also dont believe when cotto said he couldnt find an opening to the body, he could have set up something to hit the body but chose not to. he really thought he could ko marg on head shots. mosley showed that tying up is very affective against a non stop puncher. if cotto done that the fight would have ended just like the shane/marg fight

[Mr. Philadel]

also remember the boxing rule

swarmer beats boxer

boxer beats slugger

slugger beats swarmer


margarito the swarmer owned cotto the boxer just like he's supposed to cus boxer needs distance and timing and swarmer negates all that just like he did against cotto

a slugger owns swarmer because a swarmer does exactly what a slugger wants you to do, he comes right at you and lets you tee off on him. this is why mosley the slugger annihilated margarito

and boxer beats slugger because a slugger can't deal with distance and timing/skill as well, so Cotto the boxer beat Mosley the slugger.

works out perfectly

I like this post!!!

[Beater_of_ass]

To be honset with you, I don't even care anymore...

I just hate how people don't take anything into consideration. Okay, so he might have loaded his gloves. Feel better now? Now, lets look at the fact that Cotto ate more leather in that fight, than any other (beside Pac after that). Cotto ate uppercut after uppercut, body shot after body shot, straight right, and a few left hooks, one that hurt him...

The man was getting touched all night...Did plaster do that?

Do you remember the steriod rumors after the fight? I do!

Do you remember fans saying that Cotto looked like Collins a week after the fight? I do! Then CHAMPBOXPR (or whatever his name was) posted a pic of Cotto at the Mark Ehco party (a week or so after the fight)....Cotto had no swelling at all on his face...Matter of fact, he just had a ****ade on his eye (small one at that, for the cut he suffered)...Point is, the "plaster" really didn't do as much damge as people claim it did...If there was any to begin with.

People have always looked for something in that fight (even before the Mosley deal) to say it wasn't fair. The man with less skill won, and folks still can't deal with it. Period.

I agree with what you say about the amount of damage Cotto took. Without the plaster he may have still had a busted nose as he bent down so damn low in that fight and Margarito had a field day with the uppercuts. That being said, swelling goes down rather quickly in most cases it only last 3-4 days max with proper care. So seeing that he wasn't swollen a week later doesn't really mean much as you can't see what happened under the skin. Its the fact that Cotto was in back to back BRUTAL fights with Judah and Mosley in which he was hit just as clean and he didn't swell up nearly as much if at all in those fights. It wasn't like Cotto never got hit before but he sure as hell never swelled up like he did against Marg.

Gatti was known to be a guy who swells up his entire career, Cotto was known to have bad defense but never really had an issue with swelling or even cuts till after the Marg fight. Its just hard for me not to believe he wouldn't use on his first PPV fight against an undefeated fighter, in a fight which was leading up to a Floyd or DLH showdown, essentially the biggest fight in his career. Yet, he had to use wraps against an old, tune-up fight in Mosley... doesn't make any sense especially with how bad Cotto swells up now.

[fenixbb]

To be honset with you, I don't even care anymore...

I just hate how people don't take anything into consideration. Okay, so he might have loaded his gloves. Feel better now? Now, lets look at the fact that Cotto ate more leather in that fight, than any other (beside Pac after that). Cotto ate uppercut after uppercut, body shot after body shot, straight right, and a few left hooks, one that hurt him...

The man was getting touched all night...Did plaster do that?

Do you remember the steriod rumors after the fight? I do!

Do you remember fans saying that Cotto looked like Collins a week after the fight? I do! Then CHAMPBOXPR (or whatever his name was) posted a pic of Cotto at the Mark Ehco party (a week or so after the fight)....Cotto had no swelling at all on his face...Matter of fact, he just had a ****ade on his eye (small one at that, for the cut he suffered)...Point is, the "plaster" really didn't do as much damge as people claim it did...If there was any to begin with.

People have always looked for something in that fight (even before the Mosley deal) to say it wasn't fair. The man with less skill won, and folks still can't deal with it. Period.

You are right on many points but the plaster of paris gave Margarito in that fight it is my opinion the win. Without it he could never do that damage on Cotto. Cotto's workrate decreased from the 6th round. Okay he was getting hit but Cotto was hit in his past fights too. And even Mosley could not do that damage on Cotto.

[HandSpeed303]

You are right on many points but the plaster of paris gave Margarito in that fight it is my opinion the win. Without it he could never do that damage on Cotto. Cotto's workrate decreased from the 6th round. Okay he was getting hit but Cotto was hit in his past fights too. And even Mosley could not do that damage on Cotto.

I can see your point. Really though my man, I just don't even really bother myself with trying to change anyone's mind. If you feel he cheated, that is cool...I will look at you no different for it. I happen to think he didn't load his gloves agaist Cotto...But that is just me. I have always stood my ground on that, and that will not change.

I really respect being able to debate this like men. Green K sent (don't worry about sending any back. Trust me, most people would have lost it from my first post).