Just re watched Cotto vs Margarito

[Spray_resistant]

Illegal wraps or not, I watch that Marg vs Cotto fight and i don't know how Marg absorbs those shots over and over again.

Even though Cotto is not a 1 punch ko guy, he still hits very hard. He was hitting Marg with everything, from round 1. So people that say it was the illegal wraps that allowed him to take this punishment don't know what they are saying because rounds 1,3,4,5,6 Cotto was clobbering Marg.

Marg has a great chin there's no doubt about that as far as Pac taking those shots, if you look at them they were shots he was expecting and could see. You can always take those shots much better. When Pac was hurt vs JMM he was hurt because he was hit with shots he couldn't see, JMM being a much better boxer and counter puncher than Cotto.

I rate Cotto's power at about an 8 of 10, he is a heavy handed fighter for sure and if anyone else had taken the bombs Marg took they would have been KTFO.

I can still remember the thudding smack I heard when Cotto's shots landed on Marg's head, don't know how he withstood them.

[GrandpaBernard]

also remember the boxing rule

swarmer beats boxer

boxer beats slugger

slugger beats swarmer


margarito the swarmer owned cotto the boxer just like he's supposed to cus boxer needs distance and timing and swarmer negates all that just like he did against cotto

a slugger owns swarmer because a swarmer does exactly what a slugger wants you to do, he comes right at you and lets you tee off on him. this is why mosley the slugger annihilated margarito

and boxer beats slugger because a slugger can't deal with distance and timing/skill as well, so Cotto the boxer beat Mosley the slugger.

works out perfectly

Great post, keeping it simple.

[GrandpaBernard]

I rate Cotto's power at about an 8 of 10, he is a heavy handed fighter for sure and if anyone else had taken the bombs Marg took they would have been KTFO.

I can still remember the thudding smack I heard when Cotto's shots landed on Marg's head, don't know how he withstood them.

Where do you rate Mosley, marg, and manny's power?

[Beater_of_ass]

I rate Cotto's power at about an 8 of 10, he is a heavy handed fighter for sure and if anyone else had taken the bombs Marg took they would have been KTFO.

I can still remember the thudding smack I heard when Cotto's shots landed on Marg's head, don't know how he withstood them.

I agree. As Larry Merchant said during the Pac/Cotto fight, Cotto is a heavy handed puncher with really thudding heavy blows that add up over time. Manny has the same style, but he is a dynamic puncher with 1 punch KO power. Granted its mostly because people don't see them coming but its because he throws so many damn punches. That being said, Manny was affected by Cotto's power, the left uppercut, big left hooks, right hand on the ropes. Manny even admitted he was hurt in there but had to make Cotto think he wasn't and it worked, Cotto lost all confidence after the knockdown. Add in the fact that Manny but mainly Marg had Cotto backing up all night... Cotto plants his legs when he gets power behind and you simply can't do that moving backwards.

[Spray_resistant]

Where do you rate Mosley, marg, and manny's power?

Its hard to say about Manny in comparison to WWs, we don't have enough info to say for sure but I don't think Shane is a harder hitter than Cotto close but maybe a 7.5 out of 10.

The ko Shane produced against Marg was a result of accumulation in addition to him having a better gameplan and he wasn't on the back foot for most of the fight like Cotto was reducing his potential for power.

Marg is maybe about a 6.5 of 10 but is an accumulation puncher.

[purecyse]

margarito seemed unstoppable after this fight. terrifying even. then, you watch it from a different point of view and notice that cotto didn't tie up or ever commit to getting to margarito's body.

in a rematch, i would outline a strategy where he throws combinations on the outside and ties up one of margarito's arms on the inside to give him some shots to the body with diminished risk the first couple of rounds.

from that cotto could create patterns where margarito expects to be tied up and leaves that body open for some real work. after getting about 8 rounds in the bank, margarito is going to have to start taking more risk (which is punching from just inside his reach for him)...and punches.

the plan would take a lot of cardio work but i do think cotto can pull it off in a rematch.

[Nuurzhaelan]

2 questions:

Marg took a lot of clean powerful shots from Cotto and walked (and even ran at some points) through them like they were nothing, Pacquiao did the same a year later.

Cotto was previously thought to be one of the pound for pound big punchers before the Marg fight. Was Cotto's power overrated? Similarly was Marg's chin overrated? (Bearing in mind for both these questions what Mosley did to Margarito)

Also, even if Margarito was using plaster in his wraps for the Cotto fight (which I probably think he was) the problem Cotto had was dealing with the relentless pressure of Margarito. I think a rematch would have a similar outcome.

It might...it might, but Cotto would not have been nearly as damaged.

[IMDAZED]

Not for nothing but Margarito took a brutal beating in that fight. Lots of punches. Cotto may have been ruined a la Meldrick Taylor but people forget that Chavez wasn't the same after that either.

[Mickey Gomez]

nice to read posts here without too much hates and people talks about pure boxing.

I concurr. A normal intelligent discussion is a scarcity in NSB.

[Mickey Gomez]

From what we've discussed would it be fair to say Marg has a chance of going the distance with Pac?