Just re watched Cotto vs Margarito

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I agree with what you say about the amount of damage Cotto took. Without the plaster he may have still had a busted nose as he bent down so damn low in that fight and Margarito had a field day with the uppercuts. That being said, swelling goes down rather quickly in most cases it only last 3-4 days max with proper care. So seeing that he wasn't swollen a week later doesn't really mean much as you can't see what happened under the skin. Its the fact that Cotto was in back to back BRUTAL fights with Judah and Mosley in which he was hit just as clean and he didn't swell up nearly as much if at all in those fights. It wasn't like Cotto never got hit before but he sure as hell never swelled up like he did against Marg.

Edit: I didn't put Clottey in that (cause it was after the Margo fight), but the was from a but also. I can't really say I blame Margo and plaster for that...

Gatti was known to be a guy who swells up his entire career, Cotto was known to have bad defense but never really had an issue with swelling or even cuts till after the Marg fight. Its just hard for me not to believe he wouldn't use on his first PPV fight against an undefeated fighter, in a fight which was leading up to a Floyd or DLH showdown, essentially the biggest fight in his career. Yet, he had to use wraps against an old, tune-up fight in Mosley... doesn't make any sense especially with how bad Cotto swells up now.

I don't know man, many folks have their reason to belive he loaded his gloves, and I have mine on why he just tried against Mosley...And no one else. We can just agree to disagree.

Only reason I am making it so short is, I'm about to get off of work, and will not be able to get into this like I want to.

There is one thing that I don't agree with you on though...Cotto was cut agaisnt Mosley (eye), and against Judah (lip was damn near ripped off), and got about two or three different cuts against Urkel (they were headbutts, but still). He only had a cut over his eye agaist Margo. Clean punches opened it up more, but Cotto has cut well before the Margo fight.

Edit: I didn't put Clottey in that (cause it was after the Margo fight), but that was from a butt also. I can't really say I blame Margo and plaster for that...

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I don't know man, many folks have their reason to belive he loaded his gloves, and I have mine on why he just tried against Mosley...And no one else. We can just agree to disagree.

Only reason I am making it so short is, I'm about to get off of work, and will not be able to get into this like I want to.

There is one thing that I don't agree with you on though...Cotto was cut agaisnt Mosley (eye), and against Judah (lip was damn near ripped off), and got about two or three different cuts against Urkel (they were headbutts, but still). He only had a cut over his eye agaist Margo. Clean punches opened it up more, but Cotto has cut well before the Margo fight.

Edit: I didn't put Clottey in that (cause it was after the Margo fight), but that was from a butt also. I can't really say I blame Margo and plaster for that...

This is exactly my point, Cotto gets busted up (cuts) easily but he's never had his nose broken before. The cut in the Mosley fight was also a headbutt, but I'm not entirely sure. Mosley landed about 15 punches less than Margarito and I think we can all agree that Mosley is the harder puncher, by far. Mosley landed most of his shots to the head while Marg landed I'd say a 1/3rd to the body. I just don't see how Cotto's face is a swollen mess with Margarito but only slightly against a stronger puncher, they even used the same size gloves.

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2 questions:

Marg took a lot of clean powerful shots from Cotto and walked (and even ran at some points) through them like they were nothing, Pacquiao did the same a year later.

Cotto was previously thought to be one of the pound for pound big punchers before the Marg fight. Was Cotto's power overrated? Similarly was Marg's chin overrated? (Bearing in mind for both these questions what Mosley did to Margarito)

Cotto hit Margarito a lot more than he hit Pacquiao.


Margarito had a colossal punch-resistance at 147lbs. Mosley had to land 9 rounds of flush bombs with his feet planted to get him to fall, and Mosley is a bigger puncher than Cotto. I don't know how you could even wonder if Tony's chin at 147lb was overrated after watching that.


I think it's right that Cotto should be considered a very strong puncher at 147lb. As such, his power was always estimated about right, IMO.

Cotto ****ed Margarito's chin and Mosley finished the job.

Disagree totally, except in the sense that Marharito's been taking punches his whole career and it all adds up eventually.


Mosley is a bigger puncher than Cotto, he was planting his feet and teeing off on Margarito for 9 rounds before he fell. Cotto wasn't planting his feet on a lot of his shots and wasn't hitting Tony as much with as little reply as Shane did.


You're trying to claim some glory for Cotto which belongs to Shane.

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This is exactly my point, Cotto gets busted up (cuts) easily but he's never had his nose broken before. The cut in the Mosley fight was also a headbutt, but I'm not entirely sure. Mosley landed about 15 punches less than Margarito and I think we can all agree that Mosley is the harder puncher, by far. Mosley landed most of his shots to the head while Marg landed I'd say a 1/3rd to the body. I just don't see how Cotto's face is a swollen mess with Margarito but only slightly against a stronger puncher, they even used the same size gloves.

Well, I hear you, but Mosley's money punches are the left hook, and the right hand. The left hook and right hand are in Margo arsenal, but his money punches are the left and right uppertcuts. He puts everything he has into them. Just look at his past fights to see this.

Cotto was once trapped on the ropes and ate 3 or 4 uppercuts...Later on in the same round (round 2) he was caught in the corner and ate 4 or 5 more...In a row!!! That is going to do damage.

I mean, Cotto went face first into every uppercut. That couldn't have been a good thing.

Also, like I stated before, Forbes is as feather fisted as they come, and he cracked Oscar's orbital bone with a single uppercut. Sorry, but I believe that the damage that was done in the second round was do to a dozen or so uppercuts, that did land, and landed with force...And a fighter that had no answer to defend them.

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Cotto ****ed Margarito's chin and Mosley finished the job.

yes its true, but margarito ****d cotto first

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2 questions:

Marg took a lot of clean powerful shots from Cotto and walked (and even ran at some points) through them like they were nothing, Pacquiao did the same a year later.

Cotto was previously thought to be one of the pound for pound big punchers before the Marg fight. Was Cotto's power overrated? Similarly was Marg's chin overrated? (Bearing in mind for both these questions what Mosley did to Margarito)

Also, even if Margarito was using plaster in his wraps for the Cotto fight (which I probably think he was) the problem Cotto had was dealing with the relentless pressure of Margarito. I think a rematch would have a similar outcome.

Cotto faded cause of the plaster

[Mickey Gomez]

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