Comments Thread For: Not Pound for Pound…Champ for Champ 2010

[The Big Dunn]

I don't have to make a poll, and I don't care too.. everyone knows what it really is.

It's 10 o'clock in the morning and I'm debating Carlos ****in baldomir.

I'm done.

your in no way debating carlos baldomir. your being asked a legitimate question without being defamed or disrespected which I thought was the point of the forum.

[THE REED]

your in no way debating carlos baldomir. your being asked a legitimate question without being defamed or disrespected which I thought was the point of the forum.

I honestly don't care.

It's ****** to me.

I don't need, have, or want to prove it to you.

I think Cotto, Margarito, and Paul Williams would of beaten the **** out of both Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir.. and I don't care if Cotto was new to the division, if Marg lost to Santos at 154, and If Williams didn't have the competition yet.



There's no way Roy Jones was a better fighter in 93 than James Toney... what's that based off? One win over Bernard Hopkins?

Who has Roy Jones beaten up until 93? He's not even a SMW... one good win over a GREEN Hopkins doesn't mean he can beat James Toney. It's Absurd. He's done nothing to prove he can beat James Toney.

[King Koopa]

Cotto Margarito Williams (even in 06) were better fighters than Baldomir.

BS

Baldomir beat THEE guy at Welterweight, Zab Judah
then goes on to fight Gatti (Post prime, too many hand injuries as well as the Mayweather fight...ouch)

Williams...Sharmba Mitchell (david vs. Goliath lol) and Matthyse (undefeated, overhyped power puncher)...Nah, he's last at the time, but showed he had skill no doubt

Margarito...Lujan (THE EEEEEEEEAR, goddamn that was nasty) and Cintron--good wins but not better than Judah and Gatti at the time

Cotto was soldering on at 140, no doubt, but turned down Floyd at 140 and hadn't even fought at welter (though he was rehydrating 15-20 lbs at 140) FLoyd would've still gotten the "He picks on smaller guys and ducks big, tough, strong guys like Margarito and Baldomir" treatment. However, for the sake of argument, it would've been great IMO to see Cotto step up to Welterweight to face Mayweather at the time. Wins over Muhammad Abdullayev and Corley were notable as far as competition goes...though the Corley fight was...weird to say the least.


Out of this only 2 names really stick out...Margarito's win over Cintron and Baldomir's win over Judah

More significant at Welterweight? Definetly Baldomir, the reigning Welterweight champion of the world.


(My apologies for typing this much, not really my style, I'm bored at work.)

[The Big Dunn]

I think Cotto, Margarito, and Paul Williams would of beaten the **** out of both Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir.. and I don't care if Cotto was new to the division, if Marg lost to Santos at 154, and If Williams didn't have the competition yet.

My point is whether they beat them or not, to rank either of them ahead of Baldo at that weight at that point is not plausible. Baldo was ranked higher at 147 then these 3 at this point. In 2006 at 147 a win over either one of these fighters is not morre rspectable then beating Baldo.

[THE REED]

BS

Baldomir beat THEE guy at Welterweight, Zab Judah
then goes on to fight Gatti (Post prime, too many hand injuries as well as the Mayweather fight...ouch)

Williams...Sharmba Mitchell (david vs. Goliath lol) and Matthyse (undefeated, overhyped power puncher)...Nah, he's last at the time, but showed he had skill no doubt

Margarito...Lujan (THE EEEEEEEEAR, goddamn that was nasty) and Cintron--good wins but not better than Judah and Gatti at the time

Cotto was soldering on at 140, no doubt, but turned down Floyd at 140 and hadn't even fought at welter (though he was rehydrating 15-20 lbs at 140) FLoyd would've still gotten the "He picks on smaller guys and ducks big, tough, strong guys like Margarito and Baldomir" treatment. However, for the sake of argument, it would've been great IMO to see Cotto step up to Welterweight to face Mayweather at the time. Wins over Muhammad Abdullayev and Corley were notable as far as competition goes...though the Corley fight was...weird to say the least.


Out of this only 2 names really stick out...Margarito's win over Cintron and Baldomir's win over Judah

More significant at Welterweight? Definetly Baldomir, the reigning Welterweight champion of the world.


(My apologies for typing this much, not really my style, I'm bored at work.)

Your debating welterweight resume's.

I'm not.

I'm saying Cotto, Margarito, Williams were better fighters, and they didn't need the resume IMO to prove it.

That's the difference.

You're going to ask me who they beat to prove why they weren't as good, and I'm going to tell you I don't care about their resume up until that point... because I have eyes and I watch fights.

IMO Cotto, Marg, Williams were better than Baldomir AND Judah.

If Baldomir and Judah were to fight Marg, Cotto, or Williams at the time... I'd be picking Marg, Cotto, or Williams to beat their ass, and I wouldn't care what their resume was up until that point.

[THE REED]

I think Cotto, Margarito, and Paul Williams would of beaten the **** out of both Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir.. and I don't care if Cotto was new to the division, if Marg lost to Santos at 154, and If Williams didn't have the competition yet.

My point is whether they beat them or not, to rank either of them ahead of Baldo at that weight at that point is not plausible. Baldo was ranked higher at 147 then these 3 at this point. In 2006 at 147 a win over either one of these fighters is not morre rspectable then beating Baldo.

Resume's, that's what your talking about.

I'm talking about who the best fighters in the division were at the time.

Just because you are the linneal champion doesn't necessarily make you the best fighter in the division.

You beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy.

You didn't beat all the other threats in the division.

And if Baldomir would of fought Cotto or Margarito or Williams, he would of lost IMO.

You can disagree if you want, but they are better fighters than Baldomir, regardless if Baldo had the linneage.

[Gorilla Dogs]

So when Floyd beat Baldomir, he beat the best available.

yea ppl get mad bout floyd doing that but he had to fight him. the best guy at WW. if he didnt fight him everyone woulda been OOH HE DUCKED HIM ect.

[King Koopa]

Your debating welterweight resume's.

I'm not.

I'm saying Cotto, Margarito, Williams were better fighters, and they didn't need the resume IMO to prove it.

That's the difference.

You're going to ask me who they beat to prove why they weren't as good, and I'm going to tell you I don't care about their resume up until that point... because I have eyes and I watch fights.

IMO Cotto, Marg, Williams were better than Baldomir AND Judah.

If Baldomir and Judah were to fight Marg, Cotto, or Williams at the time... I'd be picking Marg, Cotto, or Williams to beat their ass, and I wouldn't care what their resume was up until that point.

I hear you, but Dunn is right, no way you could rank any of the three over Baldomir at that point based on resume accomplishments

But I understand what you mean by thinking one fighter is better than another based off their performances in-ring regardless of who they're fighting.

I think both views work hand-in-hand, how you performed based on your level of competition.

[THE REED]

I hear you, but Dunn is right, no way you could rank any of the three over Baldomir at that point based on resume accomplishments

But I understand what you mean by thinking one fighter is better than another based off their performances in-ring regardless of who they're fighting.

I think both views work hand-in-hand, how you performed based on your level of competition.

Jesus..... thank you.


Like who has Gamboa beaten to think he could beat Rafael Marquez?


You get my drift?

You do.

I'm Dunn.

[smith_oli]

So when Floyd beat Baldomir, he beat the best available.

No, he beat the man, who beat the man. At the time, as I'm sure you'll remember, Baldomir upset Zab Judah to take the lineal title fair and square. It isn't a perfect system - which would of course seen Floyd face off against Zab before the Baldomir loss. But it is a hell of a lot better than the alternative ie sanctioning bodies.

I do agree with Cliff regarding Mayweather and Pacquiao and I cringe when I come on here as almost without fail every thread decends into *****ing, either about Manny or Floyd when they have no place in the discussion. This article was about boxers who behave like or rightfully derserve to be called champions. It is doing those 10 men a great disservice to talk about two other guys who on this occasion don't deserve to be included.

My only gripe with the article was the comment regarding Edwin Valero, what happened in his personal life was a tragedy for all involved and no doubt could have been avoided. But in this context, I'm only interested in what he achieved in the ring and during his brief time as a lightweight champion. I'd prefer not to see that side of his reputation tarnished. Rightly or wrongly, that is my opinion, though many will of course disagree.

Oli