Comments Thread For: Not Pound for Pound…Champ for Champ 2010

[The Big Dunn]

Anyways anone who thinks that Baldomire was better than Williams, Cotto, and Margarito in 2006 is kidding themselves, since he had the luck of being put in with one of the least stable and exploitable linear, and unified champions in boxing history.

Bully I didn't say they were. I said what tangible fact can you use to make a case for the other 3 at 147 in 2006.

[jrosales13]

lol @ Baldomir being the best WW in the division.

Baldomir was thee man, but then again being thee man doesn't make you the best in the division. Like Bully and Reed pointed out.

For example, Roy Jones never ever won a lineat championship. But, how can you sit here and say that throughout the 90's and early part of the decade he wasn't the best fighter in his division? Even though there were lineal champs in his weght-class.

[The Big Dunn]

lol @ Baldomir being the best WW in the division.

Baldomir was thee man, but then again being thee man doesn't make you the best in the division. Like Bully and Reed pointed out.

For example, Roy Jones never ever won a lineat championship. But, how can you sit here and say that throughout the 90's and early part of the decade he wasn't the best fighter in his division? Even though there were lineal champs in his weght-class.

WHats up dude. I didn't say he was the best in the division. I asked what made them better. Popular opinion for me does not outweigh tangible facts. Its clear reed and bully, two of the most knowledgeable and respected posters here, clearly think they were better. I believe if you put up a poll 95-99% would agree with them.

All I ask is to defend the opinion with something tangible!

[jrosales13]

WHats up dude. I didn't say he was the best in the division. I asked what made them better. Popular opinion for me does not outweigh tangible facts. Its clear reed and bully, two of the most knowledgeable and respected posters here, clearly think they were better. I believe if you put up a poll 95-99% would agree with them.

All I ask is to defend the opinion with something tangible!

IMO one lone win does not overtake a body of work.

And, in 06 Margarito body of work was better than Baldomir at WW. Baldmor had the better win but overall body of work Margarito was better. At that time Margarito was the longest reigning title holder at WW. and was somethig like 5-0 against top 10 WWs. Again not big name WWs but top 10 WWs.

Baldomir was a Zab Judah creation that is that he was. And, if you really look at Judah WW resume is not good at all. He only had one good win and that was Spinks. Spinks had a better WW resume with 2 wins over Judah and Mayorga. But, lets not also forget that Judah straight out said he did not want to fight Margarito at all.

I also agree with Reed that H2H match up not only does Margarito beat Baldomir. But, Cotto and P-Will does too. Baldomir was thee man, the lineal champ. But, he just wasn't an elite fighters. There were better WWs out there. But, it was not Floyd fault that Baldomir was the lineal champ.

[jrosales13]

Anyways, I didn't even come in here to talk about Floyd, Baldomir, or Margarito. I came in here to talk about the most underrated fighter in all of boxing.

Anselmo Moreno. in the top 5 I love it.... I am glad the best writter in the game always gives the most underrated fighter in the game some recognition.

I really hope the S6 Bantamweight tournament goes through.

[smith_oli]

@ Reed...- I don't think anyone here is trying to put down your personal opinion, Williams, Cotto et al have gone on to prove themselves as better fighters than Baldomir, so your argument certainly has merit.

As with most things in life, this has boiled down to a timing issue. It just so happened the Baldomir beat Zab to become lineal champ just as Cotto, Williams and Marg' were really heating up.

If those three's careers were 12-18 months further down the line we'd likely have a very different boxing landscape today, at least in terms of resume at 147.

Out of interest, as I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but who do think is missing from the list, or that could be here shortly (Manny and Floyd aside, as that is boring now)? Who do people think acts the most like a champion with out having a belt strapped round their waste?

[The Big Dunn]

IMO one lone win does not overtake a body of work.

And, in 06 Margarito body of work was better than Baldomir at WW. Baldmor had the better win but overall body of work Margarito was better. At that time Margarito was the longest reigning title holder at WW. and was somethig like 5-0 against top 10 WWs. Again not big name WWs but top 10 WWs.

Baldomir was a Zab Judah creation that is that he was. And, if you really look at Judah WW resume is not good at all. He only had one good win and that was Spinks. Spinks had a better WW resume with 2 wins over Judah and Mayorga. But, lets not also forget that Judah straight out said he did not want to fight Margarito at all.

I also agree with Reed that H2H match up not only does Margarito beat Baldomir. But, Cotto and P-Will does too. Baldomir was thee man, the lineal champ. But, he just wasn't an elite fighters. There were better WWs out there. But, it was not Floyd fault that Baldomir was the lineal champ.

Ok. Thats all I'm asking for. Marg makes a case for being better than Baldo. Pwill and Cotto not so much.

[THE REED]

@ Reed...- I don't think anyone here is trying to put down your personal opinion, Williams, Cotto et al have gone on to prove themselves as better fighters than Baldomir, so your argument certainly has merit.

As with most things in life, this has boiled down to a timing issue. It just so happened the Baldomir beat Zab to become lineal champ just as Cotto, Williams and Marg' were really heating up.

If those three's careers were 12-18 months further down the line we'd likely have a very different boxing landscape today, at least in terms of resume at 147.

Out of interest, as I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but who do think is missing from the list, or that could be here shortly (Manny and Floyd aside, as that is boring now)? Who do people think acts the most like a champion with out having a belt strapped round their waste?

I understand the timing issue, and regardless of it, Williams, Cotto, and Margarito would still have beaten the hell out of Baldomir and Judah... either way you mix it up.

[jrosales13]

I will say that Oleydong Sithsamerchai is doing a pretty damn good job for his title reign... That little mofo is making Roman Gonzalez look bad

And, I personally would of put Juanma Lopez in there over Marco Huck.

[smith_oli]

I understand the timing issue, and regardless of it, Williams, Cotto, and Margarito would still have beaten the hell out of Baldomir and Judah... either way you mix it up.

And I certainly won't disagree with you. Lineal titles aren't without their problems, as you highlighted, there were better fighters in the division, but because they weren't quite on the boil (though I agree Marg' was established at the time) Baldomir got the shot.

I do think however that Lineal titles hold more merit than belts, as the sanctioning bodies just aren't able to get their acts together. Obviously there are always going to be people that slip through the net. Absolutely no-one would argue that RJJ wasn't the best Lightheavy during his title reign, that would be ******. If I remember correctly Dariusz Mic' was lineal champ at the time? Though I can't remember for certain off the top of my head. It is just a shame that fight didn't come off for Roy.