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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: Not Pound for Pound…Champ for Champ 2010

    By Cliff Rold - No one ever asks, literally, who would win a fight between Jr. Bantamweight champion Vic Darchinyan and Middleweight Champion Sergio Martinez. Little time is spent wondering if Manny Pacquiao could overcome a foot and more of height difference, not to mention about 100 pounds, to topple one of the Heavyweight Klitschko brothers.

    Those thoughts are not wasted in a literal sense because, for lack of a better word, they’re silly. So, too often, is the place where such matches can take place.

    Partly because it’s fun, largely because it always draws a raucous debate, and not so secretly because it’s a quick way to opine on the whole of the sport without always having to be fully familiar with most of what goes on in all of the seventeen weight classes, pound for pound debates have been given an unnatural significance in the modern era. [Click Here To Read More]
  • Rolaz
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    What happen now if Cliff Rold' choice of #1P4P and Welterweight Champ -Floyd Mayweather Jr. Doesn't want to face "Pacman", the current Yahoo #1P4P and BWAA' Fighter of the Decade, 2009 Fighter of the Year.

    Are you going to insist that its still "Pretty Boy" the undisputed Welterweight Champ and Boxingscene' #1 P4P?

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    • smith_oli
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      #3
      Originally posted by Rolaz
      What happen now if Cliff Rold' choice of #1P4P and Welterweight Champ -Floyd Mayweather Jr. Doesn't want to face "Pacman", the current Yahoo #1P4P and BWAA' Fighter of the Decade, 2009 Fighter of the Year.

      Are you going to insist that its still "Pretty Boy" the undisputed Welterweight Champ and Boxingscene' #1 P4P?

      Floyd Mayweather isn't the undisputed champ, he is the lineal champ...there is a world of difference between the two.

      Undisputed is about collecting baubles, lineal is about earning your right to be called the best, by beating the best available. In this case, Shane Mosley.

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      • smith_oli
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        #4
        Originally posted by smith_oli
        Floyd Mayweather isn't the undisputed champ, he is the lineal champ...there is a world of difference between the two.

        Undisputed is about collecting baubles, lineal is about earning your right to be called the best, by beating the best available. In this case, Shane Mosley.
        And just to reiterate, regardless of whether Mayweather faces Pacquiao or not, he will still remain the lineal champion. That can only change if he gives up his claim or is beaten in the ring.

        That is the beauty of the lineal title, there isn't any political BS to wade through, with regard to the meaningless sanctioning bodies, it is simply about the best fighting the best to EARN their place at the top.

        Pacquiao could have had a claim at the lineal champ, if he had fought Cotto at 147lbs, regardless of whether Miguel accepted the two pound catchweight or not. They fought for a Welterweight title, but they did not fight at Welterweight.

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        • Bushbaby
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          To much emphasis is wasted on pfp,it's not a literal term & does not apply to reality!!Besides it is a really suspect term anyway!!For example,Floyd & Manny rank #1 & 2 pfp,both can fight at 154,yet neither can beat everyone fighting at 154,but yet they are ranked #1 & 2!!

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          • crold1
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            #6
            One walked away from a 14 day cutoff only to say he'd take it when the other pulled the option. Now he's trying to take a fight for a fake title at a catchweight against a banned fighter. The other is a prima donna on vacation who couldn't be bothered to make his catch on a comeback fight.

            I'm bored with both.

            The great thing about this topic is we don't HAVE to talk about either. There's a hell of a lot more to boxing than them.

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            • THE REED
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              #7
              Originally posted by smith_oli
              Floyd Mayweather isn't the undisputed champ, he is the lineal champ...there is a world of difference between the two.

              Undisputed is about collecting baubles, lineal is about earning your right to be called the best, by beating the best available. In this case, Shane Mosley.
              So when Floyd beat Baldomir, he beat the best available.

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              • The Big Dunn
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                #8
                Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                So when Floyd beat Baldomir, he beat the best available.
                Who was the best then Reed?

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                • THE REED
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  Who was the best then Reed?
                  Cotto Margarito Williams (even in 06) were better fighters than Baldomir.

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                  • Pin Galarga
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                    My P4P

                    After fighting one of the most avoided welterweights, it has to be Floyd Mayweather JR. Manny could be seated 3rd because Martinez beat much better opposition and is becoming the most avoided middleweight.
                    For beating Clottey after He had been whipped by all the mayor players?? the 3 rd seat is almost a gift for Pacquiao.
                    IN monthly list:

                    F Mayweather Jr
                    S Martinez
                    Pacquaio
                    J Marquez
                    Cotto
                    Mosley
                    Calderon
                    Williams
                    Ward
                    Pascal

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