Is it fair for a 6'3 tall man to fight a 5'6 man because they're the same weight?

[prometheuslord]

hey, HERE'S a brilliant idea. you know how paul williams can become an ATG? how about he moves up to 160 and beats sergio martinez? then how about he moves up to 168 and beats the winner of the super six tourney? then how about he goes up to 175 and beats cloud, dawson, or even bernard hopkins?

you know who else moved up several weight divisions and dominated? manny pacquiao. floyd mayweather. THAT'S how you become great. not by challenging some famous guy 7 inches and one or two divisions smaller than you.

if you look at floyd and pacquiao early in their careers, they were stick thin, but they were winning because they were better than the competition. their physique allowed them to move up weight divisions because they were so skinny to begin with. can't pwill do the same? or is he not good enough?

that's why challenging pac is such a ******, ****** idea. what's he gonna prove? is he gonna get a flock of admirers for beating a guy like manny, who two years ago was fighting at superfeatherweight? truth is he might actually beat manny on his jab alone. but who cares? ****** idea.

[ThePunchingBag]

Pac should fight P.Will.

If he wins, he will take a humongous dump on Floyd's resume.

If he loses, well people will say he jumped one division too many and Williams was just too big.

Pac wins big if he wins, and loses very little if he loses.

Pacquiao-Williams should be getting made right now, but Arum is scum.

[#1Assassin]

No 5'6 fighter will choose to fight a guy that's 6'3 when there are many other viable options out there. Seriously, have you ever boxed? I would give up some weight on an opponent any day of the week if I could fight a guy 9' shorter than me.
Weight classes are there to restrict size disparity. Here this fight would bring us an unusually short guy and an unusually tall guy for the division. Making for a huge size disparity. This is a mismatch because one fighter has a clear advantage.

Please define the word mismatch, for the sake of the thread topic.

whos forcing manny to fight at WW? u cant move up in a division and then duck the big guys because your little, in that case take your little as back down to your natural weightclass. but if you are gonna be at 147 u will have to fight whoever can make that weight.

i do box myself and i wouldnt like to fight someone much bigger than myself, thats why i stay at 141. but if i moved up to 152 or even 165 i would have to fight the guys in that division or take my ass back down to 141. u cant move up in weight and the be like "i could make that other weight if i wanted to so i shouldnt have to fight the big guys".

weightclasses are there for a reason, but if u want to fight above your best weight thats your ****ing problem. nobody is forcing him to fight at 147. if he wants to call himself a welterweight he will have to fight whoever else calls himself a welterweight, or call himself a light welterweight instead.

[elfag]

Pac is now a legit welterweight. He has a ****ing belt now, he is a welterweight champion. It is ridiculous to say he cant face another welterweight because theyre "too big" but its ok for him to jump to 154 and face their weaker belt holders.

He already beat Cotto and Clottey, he can face williams if the fight is available.

Arum wont allow it because its too much risk and Williams dont work for him. But it is a perfectly legit fight.

[makaveli87]

Obviously there are no height classes, it just wouldn't work. However the point of weight classes is to restict size discreptencies such as what so many of you want to see here. You have one guy who will have to drop back down to 47, is big at and can easily make 160. Another who has moved way up to get the big fights, can obviously move back down but then he wouldn't get those big fights. Two guys at opposite ends of the spectrum. Yes they can make the same weight class but it isn't a fair fight physically. It's mismatch.

Just because the big guy is calling out the little guy doesn't mean this fight should be made. Margarito had a difficult time with Williams height and reach. Pacquiao will have a hard time with Margarito's height and reach if they fight.

I really don't care if they fight or not(it wont happen). But if they did I see Williams winning with the jab and back peddaling. Unless Pacquiao can KO him with a body shot or wear him down at the body. There work rates will be similar but Williams with the reach and height lands more and wins a dicision.

But I wouldnt call it a fair fight. It's a physical mismatch.

#1Assassin: I'm at 138 right now. 5'10.5 70.5 inch reach. At my weight I would usually fight guys shorter then me or at around my height.
I've fought my brother who is out of my weight class at 175 6'1.5 78 inch reach. His reach was the biggest problem for me, not the weight/power. I've never fought someone at 5'1.5 with a 55.5 inch reach but if I did I certainly wouldn't be calling it a fair fight. I don't care if we weight the same, it wouldn't be fair.

[THE REED]

Obviously there are no height classes, it just wouldn't work. However the point of weight classes is to restict size discreptencies such as what so many of you want to see here. You have one guy who will have to drop back down to 47, is big at and can easily make 160. Another who has moved way up to get the big fights, can obviously move back down but then he wouldn't get those big fights. Two guys at opposite ends of the spectrum. Yes they can make the same weight class but it isn't a fair fight physically. It's mismatch.

Just because the big guy is calling out the little guy doesn't mean this fight should be made. Margarito had a difficult time with Williams height and reach. Pacquiao will have a hard time with Margarito's height and reach if they fight.

I really don't care if they fight or not(it wont happen). But if they did I see Williams winning with the jab and back peddaling. Unless Pacquiao can KO him with a body shot or wear him down at the body. There work rates will be similar but Williams with the reach and height lands more and wins a dicision.

But I wouldnt call it a fair fight. It's a physical mismatch.

#1Assassin: I'm at 138 right now. 5'10.5 70.5 inch reach. At my weight I would usually fight guys shorter then me or at around my height.
I've fought my brother who is out of my weight class at 175 6'1.5 78 inch reach. His reach was the biggest problem for me, not the weight/power. I've never fought someone at 5'1.5 with a 55.5 inch reach but if I did I certainly wouldn't be calling it a fair fight. I don't care if we weight the same, it wouldn't be fair.

Two problems with that.

First, Williams doesn't even use his height and reach.

He's hunched over and fighting on the inside half the time.


Second, His only loss has come to a 5' 9" southpaw welterweight.



No excuses.. if you make the weight, then you you're entitled to fight there.

[BoxingTech718]

Sounds like a damn excuse Pacquiao and Mayweather are only a couple inches apart. If Mayweather should fight PW then so should the p4p king.

[htown00]

I'd watch who you're calling ******ed. "no different" There's a big difference between what you just said there buddy. One is god given the other is not. If Pacquiao sat on his ass all day as a kid to current day he wouldn't be fast. If Williams did the same he would still be 6'3 with his massive reach. If Mosley never fought a round in his life his chin would be ****.

The last sentence of your posts exemplifies why you think it is completely fair and not the physical mismatch that it is. Take off your goggles.

How was Pacquiao much faster than Cotto...I'm pretty sure both trained hard and both wanted to be as fast and as strong as they could possibly be...did Pac know some secret hand speed training that hasn't made it to PR yet? lol...come on now his hand speed is God given

I'm sure Amir Khan trains as much as Mosely and if he could get his chin anywhere near Mosley's he would do it in a heartbeat...but a lot of God given physical traits go into having a good chin i.e. bone structure, balance, etc...there are some things you just can't acquire

[htown00]

Obviously there are no height classes, it just wouldn't work. However the point of weight classes is to restict size discreptencies such as what so many of you want to see here. You have one guy who will have to drop back down to 47, is big at and can easily make 160. Another who has moved way up to get the big fights, can obviously move back down but then he wouldn't get those big fights. Two guys at opposite ends of the spectrum. Yes they can make the same weight class but it isn't a fair fight physically. It's mismatch.

Just because the big guy is calling out the little guy doesn't mean this fight should be made. Margarito had a difficult time with Williams height and reach. Pacquiao will have a hard time with Margarito's height and reach if they fight.

I really don't care if they fight or not(it wont happen). But if they did I see Williams winning with the jab and back peddaling. Unless Pacquiao can KO him with a body shot or wear him down at the body. There work rates will be similar but Williams with the reach and height lands more and wins a dicision.

But I wouldnt call it a fair fight. It's a physical mismatch.

#1Assassin: I'm at 138 right now. 5'10.5 70.5 inch reach. At my weight I would usually fight guys shorter then me or at around my height.
I've fought my brother who is out of my weight class at 175 6'1.5 78 inch reach. His reach was the biggest problem for me, not the weight/power. I've never fought someone at 5'1.5 with a 55.5 inch reach but if I did I certainly wouldn't be calling it a fair fight. I don't care if we weight the same, it wouldn't be fair.

The weight classes are used solely to restrict weight discrepancies...they were not trying to avoid a 5'6' Chris John from fighting a 5'11' Caballero, they were trying to avoid a 5'6 Chris John from fighting a 5'10 Mike Tyson...if they wanted to restrict height advantages it wouldn't have been hard to instill height restrictions also.

[BoxingTech718]

Nutthuggers gonna make more excuse threads, but isnt Margaritto pretty tall his damn self?