why is mannys resume so overated and floyds so underated???

[Zn1]

Also, in my opinion Mayweather's best win isn't Mosley.

1. Corrales
2. JLC
3. DLH
4. Mosley

Corrales.........?

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[Iceta Lives]

are you seriously comparing the marquez that pac fought 2x vs the marquez that floyd fought?

seriously?


pac took on marquez the first time when EVERYBODY DUCKED MARQUEZ!!!! Morales, Barerra, & NASEEM HAMED ducked marquez.

It was a mid 20s one handed, raw, green pacquiao that gave 30 year old absolute physical prime marquez a chance.

Then another chance at 130 when he was 34 years old.


Now compare that to the marquez who floyd fought after marquez went through 3 straight wars in a row vs pac, casa, & diaz. Floyd fought a what 36 year old career featherweight at welterweight vs a welterweight former junior middle champ who is undefeated?


GTFO.

Yeah, Floyd doesn't get much credit from me for beating JMM either. But I still have to give him more credit for it than Pacquiao because a lot of people think JMM beat Pacquiao even though I had JMM losing by a point due to the knockdown. And you didn't address the other part of my post either.

What a lot of people overlook is Floyd beat a lot of the guys he fought when he was outweighed by like 10-15 lbs and Pacquiao hasn't went into a fight without a size advantage since the first fight against Morales. Like Larry said, their resumes are even.

[Khalid X]

Just joined good to see people discussing the best fighters.

One thing I am having trouble understanding is the people's opinions towards Mosely. Floyd Mayweather beats Mosely and everyone criticizes him saying Mosely is too old. Yet I saw Freddy Roach on an interview and he said that Shane came to their gym twice trying to fight Manny and they turned him down twice. There was a dispute over the weight. Shane agreed to fight Manny at the same weight (147) that he fought Oscar but they still refused. And Roach in his own words said that Mosely was better than Oscar and they would not fight him at this weight.

Now this is not meant as an attack on Manny because I'm a fan of his. But I seriously doubt if Floyd's camp had done the same thing that people would be so understanding. People hate Floyd so much they'll criticize him even though he did something Manny's camp did not want to do and that is fight Sugar Shane Mosely.

I am curious to hear what people think of this.

Bro not to flame but people need to realize that Freddie plays little to no role in who Manny faces next. Arum, Trampler and others at Top Rank decide Manny's next opponent and Manny gives the Ok.

With that said, it wasn't Manny's team that turned down Shane because none of those guys have any pull. Arum wanted the Cotto fight so it happened. On the other hand, Floyd has way more control over who he fights next (basically 100% control) due to the way he has positioned himself in boxing.

[Khalid X]

If you're a real fan of boxing, you should be able to see that neither has all that much better of a resume then the other. Pac fans can argue that Mayweather has fought over the hill fighters, but Pacs best wins over MAB and Morales was after they had been already destroyed each other. I'm not saying that those weren't great wins, but Pac didn't fight the MAB or EM that were beasts like they once were. Just like Mayweather is criticized for fighting less the great opposition, it really can't be denied that Pacquiao has been fed fighters that were tailor made for his style of boxing, Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey. Not hating, just telling it how I see it.

Bro I hate Barrera with a passion, but he was on the greatest runs the FW division has ever seen before Manny beat him.

[Random1]

I think it's all in our expectations. We have known that Floyd can give us "A+" wins over good fighters consistently since he was a young fighter, so many get upset if he only gives an "A" or fights a "lesser" opponent.

Manny, on the other hand, was someone who was basically giving us B+ for a long time. Not that many people knew about him, there wasn't a lot of fanfare. He was good but nobody to get crazy excited over. Then suddenly we started getting A+ from him and people were like "WOW!"

Manny has exceeded expectations by a lot, while Floyd, who we expect the world from anyway, can only meet them or not quite meet them. It's the people who exceed what we expect that get the real credit.

[Roadwork]

cmon dude, pac didnt fight mosley so he can fight the guy that beat mosley in cotto. this is not that difficult to comprehend.

pac fought cotto who beat mosley & is with top rank. pac & top rank dont have to share the money with gbp while fighting a guy in cotto who has a bigger fanbase.

why risk pac when you can make more money risking it against your own guy.

As for roach saying mosley was too good, that was roach way of placating mosley. roach was just tying to make shane feel better with the "too good" comment. Its a way of saying no nicely. If roach told shane you are too good, that leaves shane no choice but to drop it.

The shane that showed up to fight floyd would have been murked by manny.


shane is done as a elite fighter. the way he gassed out after the 3rd round proves this.


why do you think he's fighting sergio mora now?



shane is done.

I agree with you that Mosely's best days are behind him. I'll even go as far to state the obvious that Floyd did not beat the best version of Mosely. However since Mosely did not respond to Floyd's challenge to fight him several years ago than I don't really think we can blame Floyd for that.

And Manny beating the guy that beat Mosely in such a dominate way is amazing. I certainly thought the fight would be a lot closer than that. So big up to Manny for another excellent show of boxing skill. But there is one thing about this though. You say Manny fought Cotto because he beat Shane. Well I could simply say that Shane beat Margarito who annihilated Cotto. Now I know Margarito has been exposed with the plastering and all that garbage but he was still the welterweight champion. A lot of people avoided him long before they knew of any cheating going on and Shane beat him in such an impressive manner that I think a lot of fighters didn't want to fight him.

Can't really comment on the top rank because I wasn't really paying attention to the affiliations. You probably have a point there. I don' really think that Roach was trying to placate Mosely though. I think he had serious reservations about fighting him. If you doubt me just do a you tube search I'm sure someone has posted that interview.

But I do think Manny would most likely beat Mosely. That is not really the point. I was just saying that it appeared his camp did not want to fight him.

The real question is are Floyd Mayweather and Manny Paquio going to fight? All of these debates are just a prelude to that event. I think it is going to happen and I can't wait.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Yeah, Floyd doesn't get much credit from me for beating JMM either. But I still have to give him more credit for it than Pacquiao because a lot of people think JMM beat Pacquiao even though I had JMM losing by a point due to the knockdown. And you didn't address the other part of my post either.

What a lot of people overlook is Floyd beat a lot of the guys he fought when he was outweighed by like 10-15 lbs and Pacquiao hasn't went into a fight without a size advantage since the first fight against Morales. Like Larry said, their resumes are even.

no they are not even. close but not even. that's why pac was awarded FOTD.

[Iceta Lives]

no they are not even. close but not even. that's why pac was awarded FOTD.

Maybe I'm being hard on Pac because he might end up giving Cotto a rematch, but I got a reason why I have the opinion I do.

[pbftxrs316]

it seems as if that 38 year old mosley dude made manny afraid to fight him-----twice----and he beat the guy that crushed cotto---and not at a ****ing catchweight might i add-----so basically, floyd fights the legit ww champions in baldomir and mosley-----arum keeps cotto out of the ring with floyd-----cotto has still yet to call out floyd-----may never due it------that jmm guy that floyd won every round against basically, just a year earlier arguably beat manny------hmmmm---what else, let's see----manny beats oscar and hatton after floyd does-----he beats cotto at 145 pounds for his 147 title---then fights the guy who lost to cotto right afterwards, when people like tim bradley, devon alexander, and oh ****, floyd mayweather jr wanted to fight him------

i'll give manny morales and barerra, even though many said they both were out of their primes---i mean, manny didn't fight raheem when he beat eric---he instead fought eric---

now, people say floyd ducked margarito, cotto, kosta, and hatton at 140, even though hatton and cotto and arum ducked floyd at 140, this is all true----and we know margarito wasn't the ww champion at the time, baldomir was----if you people felt that margarito was the better fighter than carlos at the time, why the hell didn't margarito go after carlos's title, seeing how baldomir was the ww champion-------why didn't margarito fight zab when he had the chance---they were supposed to fight back in 2005---this was when floyd was at 140 pounds----zab dusts off cosmo rivera and he wanted margarito, mosley, and de la hoya----in reality, his best chance was margarito----margarito calls out floyd, knowing that floyd wanted de la hoya---the much bigger threat, much bigger purse, became the biggest fight in history---and still is until mayweather/pacquiao-----

so, i don't want to read how bad floyd's resume is compared to manny's-----it's better---and how many undefeated, in their prime fighters have manny fought, dominated, and stopped, that were ranked on p4p lists? i know floyd has coralles and hatton, and for the dumbass ti talking about how diego was weight drained and getting ready to go to jail, that's nonsense----he outweighed floyd fight night, floyd was going to legal fiascos in the buildup to the gatti fight and went out there and destroyed the jr ww champion, because the lineal champion in hatton was too busy saying he wasn't ready for floyd, and after he watched what floyd did to arturo, he and miguel sat queitly and kept their mouths closed----take this into consideration----


floyd is the real fighter of the decade, no doubt---he hasn't lost, he has been the most dominant champion and fighter this decade, really, only a few of his bouts have been competitive---he's been that good-------

[Roadwork]

Bro not to flame but people need to realize that Freddie plays little to no role in who Manny faces next. Arum, Trampler and others at Top Rank decide Manny's next opponent and Manny gives the Ok.

With that said, it wasn't Manny's team that turned down Shane because none of those guys have any pull. Arum wanted the Cotto fight so it happened. On the other hand, Floyd has way more control over who he fights next (basically 100% control) due to the way he has positioned himself in boxing.

Ok that's a good point I didn't know that.

I still think Mosely after he beat Margarito looked good enough to give a lot of people trouble. The fact that he looked so poor against Floyd Mayweather might be to overtraining or dehydration or whatever or it might also be because of Floyd Mayweather.