why is mannys resume so overated and floyds so underated???

[Khalid X]

Actually cherry-picked indicates picking a fighter who you know you can beat.

I have to disagree with you on that one. A confident boxer should have the mentality that he knows he can beat any opponent. I think the proper line of thinking for cherry picking should be fighting a guy who you know has no chance of beating you, and quite frankly I can't say that about any of Manny's latest opponents. All of them had great shots at beating him, except maybe a David Diaz.

Joshua Clottey-had punches that were kryptonite to Manny's style; The left hook (pac has been dropped several times with this punch and Clottey has one of the best in the bussiness), good right hand (watch judah fight), great uppercut and also Clottey was a counterpuncher. I said this prior to the fight but Clottey had all the tools to beat Manny and also he outweighed him by atleast 15lbs.

Miguel Cotto-Again Miguel had the tools to beat Manny. Morales dominated Pac in the first round by using a jab with his lead hand, something Cotto was also great at. Also for the longest, body shots were deemed the answer in derailing Pacquiao and Miguel was a hard body puncher and had a great left to the body. Also Cotto was faster than any one Manny had faced of late.

Ricky Hatton-I know after fights it's easy to sit up and say that a guy is garbage (not saying you are doing this bro) but Ricky was the man at 140 and if we wanna keep it real, he has fought Floyd better than any other opponent not named Castillo. I actually liked Hatton's chances as did most.

DLH was actually favored by 80% of the people based on size alone. Now while these fighters fvkked themselves, DLH by trying to come in lighter than Manny, Clottey by not throwing enough punches, Hatton by abonding his gameplan, and Cotto by not sticking to boxing......In all honest that is on them not Manny. Still doesn't take away from the fact that had great chances to beat Manny (actually favored) so I can see how they are cherry picked. No beef/flaming.....but I just can't see it.

Pac's last few opponents all fight his style. That is a fact. I wouldn't call it cherry picking though it's just how these things work out. I could easily disseminate all your arguments with counter arguments but that's so cyclical and people do this **** every damn day.

Again I don't see that either. None of those guys fight anywhere near the same, and to say they fight Manny's style is actually a complement to Pacquiao in the sense that you are basically saying so Manny different styles fit into way he likes to do. Just my two cents tho.........

[Khalid X]

Pac was already eyeing Cotto for his first fight at welterweight prior to Cotto's fight with Clottey. Shane was not even under consideration because of the following reasons:

1. It was Pac's first real fight at welterweight, and there were still questions about his ability to absorb the punch of true welterweights.

2. Shane had fought at higher weights and is a much bigger man relative to Cotto. Thus, Roach would have been unwise to select him for Pac's first fight at welter, given the uncertainty surrounding Pac's punch-resistance at that weight.

3. Most people at the time WANTED and DEMANDED Cotto for the fight, rather than Shane. In fact, many were deriding Shane for cherry-picking and "begging" for the match against the smaller man, even going as far as offering to fight at 140.

The scenario for Shane and Floyd was greatly different. While the possibility of a Pac-Shane fight was not even contemplated prior to the Pac-Cotto negotiations, the demand for Floyd-Shane had been brewing for almost 10 years, climaxing in Shane's public challenge to Floyd after the Marquez bout. Up until the start of 2010, Floyd had publicly and repeatedly stated that he will not fight Mosely. And he was rightfully criticized for that. It was only when Pac-Floyd failed and after the Haiti earthquake that Floyd was forced to face Mosley.

I can respect all of that but the real answer is Arum picks Manny's opponents and Freddy word means absolute ****. When was the last time you heard Manny say after a fight "Well its up to my trainer Freddy Roach on who I fight next, I will have to sit down and talk to him"?

He doesn't, and its always "My promoter" and not "My trainer". I mean we saw first hand when Roach suggested Valero over Margarito and Bob Arum immediantly came out and stated that "Roach doesn't decide anything and all he does is train. He should keep his mouth shut because he has no say in who Manny fights next (I'm paraphrasing BTW)".

Cotto was chosing for the following reasons
1. He beat Mosley
2. It was an in house fight (4 outta 5 opponents prior to this were all GBP fighters) so Arum could keep all the money in house
3. Cotto was thinking about leaving Top Rank unless he could get a big fight
4. Arum believed he was a bigger draw and had a bigger fan base.

[shade darkar]

because pacquiao took risks, fought bigger men who were expected to beat him, and floyd didnt. floyd took the easier options like JMM 2 weights above his best, Hatton 1 weight above his best. And you can ususally expect a toe to toe battle with a pacquiao fight, you can usually expect a pot shotting style with insane defense from mayweather.

[empiricix]

Actually cherry-picked indicates picking a fighter who you know you can beat. Pac's last few opponents all fight his style. That is a fact. I wouldn't call it cherry picking though it's just how these things work out. I could easily disseminate all your arguments with counter arguments but that's so cyclical and people do this **** every damn day.

Cherry-picking is when a fighter has several opponents to choose from, and then selects the least worthy among them. Worthiness as an opponent can depend on one's current standing in the division, recent wins and performance, and to a degree, his potential. But rarely does worthiness have anything to do with style.

Both Cotto and Mosley were worthy opponents at the time for Pacquiao. Choosing either one was defensible. But if Pac had chosen Berto, then that would have been a valid case of cherry-picking, notwithstanding the fact that Berto had a style that is considered anathema to Pac's style.

[empiricix]

I can respect all of that but the real answer is Arum picks Manny's opponents and Freddy word means absolute ****. When was the last time you heard Manny say after a fight "Well its up to my trainer Freddy Roach on who I fight next, I will have to sit down and talk to him"?

He doesn't, and its always "My promoter" and not "My trainer". I mean we saw first hand when Roach suggested Valero over Margarito and Bob Arum immediantly came out and stated that "Roach doesn't decide anything and all he does is train. He should keep his mouth shut because he has no say in who Manny fights next (I'm paraphrasing BTW)".

Cotto was chosing for the following reasons
1. He beat Mosley
2. It was an in house fight (4 outta 5 opponents prior to this were all GBP fighters) so Arum could keep all the money in house
3. Cotto was thinking about leaving Top Rank unless he could get a big fight
4. Arum believed he was a bigger draw and had a bigger fan base.

You're right about Arum's greater influence regarding Pac's opponent selection than Roach's. It just so happened that in Cotto's case, there was a confluence of opinions that Miguel was the wiser choice, albeit for different reasons.

[infamous larryx]

bump............................

[AFighter4U]

I wouldn't say Manny's resume is overrated. In fact, so many people go out of their way to downplay it.

I think that simply because of their fighting style, more people appreciate watching Manny fight than floyd jr.

I mean who has ever heard of people walking out en mass on one of Manny's fights?

Because Manny makes explosive fights and takes serious risks to get a knockout, most folks like seeing that. Compare it to floyd jr's over-safe stlye that only purists can appreciate, then you can understand why more attention is given to Manny.

But that is easily offset by floyd jr's marketing genius. If all floyd jr cares about is really money (which he often claims) and nothing else, so this less attention to him isn't bothersome at all. So if he's not bothered by it, why should anybody else be?

People love hating floyd and watch him hoping to see him lose, and floyd jr loves money this gives him and loves himself so everyone is happy.