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[IMDAZED]

Oscar De La Hoya doesn't negotiate. That's why he hired Schafer in the first place. Or else GBP would still be Boxeo De Oro or whateverthe ****. Three weeks ago, Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, said no negotiations was taking place. In essence, 99% of the comments have come from Team Pacquiao. 75% of them have been contradictory. We're all optimistic. Just not when it comes to Arum.

[Eaner0919]

1. so should we forget about Oscar on TV saying the fight was close to done? 2. Forget the reports of "sources inside the floyd camp" revealing the fight will happen? 3. Forget the broad who said an arena is being built for the floyd-pac fight?

1. Oscar doesn't really have the inside knowledge we think he does especially of late. Remember he has been MIA for the last few months now all of sudden he is the reference point to what's happening? I don't buy it I know he and Schaeffer had not been talking too much over some issues within the company and while I understand it his company and all, he is more figurehead than actual man in the mix

2. Sources are just that, sources some good some bad some correct some incorrect.

3. what broad? to me building an arena for this fight is kind of LOL and sounds more like something Bob or Richard threw out there as a "hey wouldn't it be cool to do an old fashion style arena?" vibe then actually coming to fruition

I think because of a number of positive reports over the past few weeks it seems more than likely this fight is going to be made, despite the silence from Floyd's side and Richard Schaefer.

and that's fine. Listen I am not dooming this not to happen and I have often stated I hope what Bob says IS true

but are we really to fully trust Bob just because we want the fight to happen? Considering all the lies he has shoveled down our throat throughout?

Maybe I'm wrong and it's all BS but in comparison this seems so much better than the negotiations last time around.

maybe

but also look at it in this aspect

the last time this went down it was all on the media so we knew just about everything that happened.

This time? short of Bob's posturing we haven't heard much other than people in the know or sources which are in all honesty hit or miss saying things are moving well.

all it takes is one aspect to snag this whole thing

I don't see the logic on bob arums side to go through all this hoopla to specifically make it seem like the fight is going to be made, just so it wont and pac can fight Cotto in a rematch that wouldn't generate half of what a Floyd fight would generate. Further Margarito cannot even fight in the US as of now and there is certainly no guarantee he will be able to fight by November.

and maybe that's what you are. No offense so please I am not trying to be disrespectful at all

but if all you care about is the fight being made thats great.

I on the other hand have a perverted interest in all aspects of this and form all angles because in the end I want to make this my life career.

so when I have heard Bob's rants before I can discern when he is being honest and when there is something fishy.

to me, this seemed like there is a strong possibility of Bob and his team using the media as damage control in an effort to make his side look like they did everything in their power to make this fight and now the onus is on Mayweather and his side to agree.

I mean it's a definite possibility considering the parties involved

as for Cotto and Margarito Bob will have a way of making these fights viewable and more importantly, buyable

and Tony will fight again in the US I have a feeling the wheels have already been put in motion.

one thing I haven't asked anyone

why is Bob so determined to mention not fighting this year? He keeps saying that if Mayweather doesn't want to fight this year then that's okay too.

why? why negotiate, say everything is agreed, then say they may not fight this year?

the scenario out of this could be

Bob has an offer he knows is close but wont be accepted. He says fine lets table this until after Nov I will have Manny fight ____ Mayweather can take the year off. He then turns around in the media and says it's all up to Floyd.

IMO brilliant move on his part to try and deflect the angst the boxing public will feel if this fight does not happen in Nov

[IMDAZED]

Fair point fair opinion. I guess I just question when I see a 50/50 split. I can't see anyone on this board, if they were in floyd's position, agreeing to that. Not just because of the numbers. But floyd is gonna have to do the bulk of the promoting given the language barrier and pac's committments at home. 50/50 is patently unfair.

The 50/50 split is for the fans. Truthfully, the first negotiations only the guarantee was 50/50., not the PPV. They wouldn't be making the same amount regardless, which is why Floyd said, "no, I would be making $40m, not him." Floyd's not gonna ask for 60% anyway - that's just BS. And he shouldn't get it if he does.

[THE REED]

I think it's best to be skeptical with ALL promoters, not just arum.

Absolutely, but the subject here is on Arum.. since he is the one doing all the talking... aside from Oscars small comment.

I've yet come across a 100% honest, straight shooter of a promoter, lol they just don't exist. They all have their angles, agendas, etc. for obvious reasons.

If this was just Arum saying this and there had been nothing positive reported in the past, I would be much more skeptical than I am now. But like I said there have been quite a few things over the past few weeks that support arums claim.

I just don't like the whole " we sent Floyd our final draft... it's up to him to agree"...

I think it gives a false impression to a lot of people not paying attention, and to the general public to make them think...

Oh... well their side must have done everything... if Floyd doesn't agree then it HAS to be his fault.

I just see the way Arum has positioned himself, if in fact the fight were to break down... He is very sharp.

It's just that, this final "offer" or final contract, may in fact have things included that they know FLoyd would not agree too.

Again this is all speculation... neither me, nor you... can read the contract or actually know wtf is going on... so it really is all speculation.

It's just the way his comments were worded, and how he has positioned himself in the media... he knows what he is doing.

[ИATAS]

Oscar De La Hoya doesn't negotiate. That's why he hired Schafer in the first place. Or else GBP would still be Boxeo De Oro or whateverthe ****. Three weeks ago, Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, said no negotiations was taking place. In essence, 99% of the comments have come from Team Pacquiao. 75% of them have been contradictory. We're all optimistic. Just not when it comes to Arum.

Oscar might not be doing the negotiations, but clearly he would be involved in the sense he knows what's going on and how the negotiations are progressing. So his comments would definitely be credible.

[M.I Truth ?]

Good post and its how I'm feeling too. Bob starts making me nervous when he starts claiming that the ball is in someone else's court then follows up with a deadline.The constant talk about Cotto /Margarito make me uneasy about the whole thing as well. I hope it really is done though but i really want to hear from someone else before I get excited.

[THE REED]

Fair point fair opinion. I guess I just question when I see a 50/50 split. I can't see anyone on this board, if they were in floyd's position, agreeing to that. Not just because of the numbers. But floyd is gonna have to do the bulk of the promoting given the language barrier and pac's committments at home. 50/50 is patently unfair.

Again, I definitely see your point as well..

If I infact was Floyd... I probably would feel differently..

[IMDAZED]

1. Oscar doesn't really have the inside knowledge we think he does especially of late. Remember he has been MIA for the last few months now all of sudden he is the reference point to what's happening? I don't buy it I know he and Schaeffer had not been talking too much over some issues within the company and while I understand it his company and all, he is more figurehead than actual man in the mix

2. Sources are just that, sources some good some bad some correct some incorrect.

3. what broad? to me building an arena for this fight is kind of LOL and sounds more like something Bob or Richard threw out there as a "hey wouldn't it be cool to do an old fashion style arena?" vibe then actually coming to fruition



and that's fine. Listen I am not dooming this not to happen and I have often stated I hope what Bob says IS true

but are we really to fully trust Bob just because we want the fight to happen? Considering all the lies he has shoveled down our throat throughout?


maybe

but also look at it in this aspect

the last time this went down it was all on the media so we knew just about everything that happened.

This time? short of Bob's posturing we haven't heard much other than people in the know or sources which are in all honesty hit or miss saying things are moving well.

all it takes is one aspect to snag this whole thing



and maybe that's what you are. No offense so please I am not trying to be disrespectful at all

but if all you care about is the fight being made thats great.

I on the other hand have a perverted interest in all aspects of this and form all angles because in the end I want to make this my life career.

so when I have heard Bob's rants before I can discern when he is being honest and when there is something fishy.

to me, this seemed like there is a strong possibility of Bob and his team using the media as damage control in an effort to make his side look like they did everything in their power to make this fight and now the onus is on Mayweather and his side to agree.

I mean it's a definite possibility considering the parties involved

as for Cotto and Margarito Bob will have a way of making these fights viewable and more importantly, buyable

and Tony will fight again in the US I have a feeling the wheels have already been put in motion.

one thing I haven't asked anyone

why is Bob so determined to mention not fighting this year? He keeps saying that if Mayweather doesn't want to fight this year then that's okay too.

why? why negotiate, say everything is agreed, then say they may not fight this year?

the scenario out of this could be

Bob has an offer he knows is close but wont be accepted. He says fine lets table this until after Nov I will have Manny fight ____ Mayweather can take the year off. He then turns around in the media and says it's all up to Floyd.

IMO brilliant move on his part to try and deflect the angst the boxing public will feel if this fight does not happen in Nov

Agreed. It smells like Bob setting up Mayweather for the blame. Of course, some dumb fans will eat it up. Let's face it, half the posts I read yesterday were variations of, "Well if Floyd doesn't accept this then he;s ducking." As if they know what the **** is going on. Hook, line and sinker.

[IMDAZED]

Oscar might not be doing the negotiations, but clearly he would be involved in the sense he knows what's going on and how the negotiations are progressing. So his comments would definitely be credible.

I don't know about that. I really don't.

[treason1]

1. Oscar doesn't really have the inside knowledge we think he does especially of late. Remember he has been MIA for the last few months now all of sudden he is the reference point to what's happening?

thats really .... um how can i put this nicly a ****** point to make . and as a matter of fact the president of tyco and the president of enron tried to make those aurguements in court and are noww in federal prison . the boss always knows what his vp's and other underlings does . just because hes not there doesnt mean he isnt getting briefed and updated regularly