Almost none of you should have a top 100 ATG list

[JAB5239]

He didn't look like he was joking around to me.

Well it seems a bit funny that you've come to this conclusion from one short video, yet Gene Tunney, who Ali called one of the best fighters ever, claims Greb to be the best fighter he ever fought. That has absolutely no bearing to you?

[sigrab jr]

If this was the case yes, but you can't be having any sort of informed opinion of fighters without actually seeing them in fights and numerous amounts of them. I don't want to hear about what you read in some 1000 year old newspaper.

Just imagine if there was no footage of Louis/Schmeling and Louis won a close decision.........how do you think the papers would report that fight in America during WW2 time?

I was kidding though lol. Oldest fights i've seen are just clips on ESPN classics i nblack and white, of, I don't even know who I just watch them and fall asleep afterward.

[baracuda]

Who would have won had they fought at their respective bests is anyone's guess. But I do think it would have been a much more closely contested fight had Wilde not been off for 2 years. That should be common sense that I believe you would agree with.

floy was out for 2 years also.......wilde was 31 when he fought villa.....im not gonnna act like i know every single detail to judge , so i refuse to comment about it.....but who does?...lol

[Hi-Dro]

I've seen enough footage of Greb to wonder how the hell we can rank these lists. He had a horrible stance, how am I supposed to believe he's going to beat most of the best fighters ever.

Then again he won 200 fights and beat Gene Tunney.

pac has a ****ty defense and commits to many mistakes...

so what? not many can capitalize on it...he's still an atg...


I'm just showing you an example though, as I have never heard of this Greb...

[Bhopreign]

floy was out for 2 years also.......wilde was 31 when he fought villa.....im not gonnna act like i know every single detail to judge , so i refuse to comment about it.....but who does?...lol

Wise response, no sense putting on an act like some of these "experts".

[JAB5239]

floy was out for 2 years also.......wilde was 31 when he fought villa.....im not gonnna act like i know every single detail to judge , so i refuse to comment about it.....but who does?...lol

All Im saying is Wilde, at his best was fighting more than once a month. Two years off is going to hurt anybodies rhythm and timing in my opinion, but more so the guy who was fighting more often. I don't know every detail either, but I don't think what I've stated is an illogical assumption either.

[edgarg]

Unless you are like 90 years old I don't see how any of you could have a credible top 100 ATG fighters list, and the fact that so many of you seem to and try to pin point fighters on them is laughable.

The only way a younger person should or could have 1 of any merit is if maybe you watched, scored, and stringently analyzed 10 more of the most important fights that hundreds maybe over a thousand of the greatest fighters in boxing history have had.

The amount of fight you would have to watch should be at the very least tens of thousands of fights. Some of which are not even the easiest to come by and would take so much time to accurately go through that if you were young when you started you most likely would not be once you went through all of this data and pin pointed on a basis consisting of some recognizable criteria where someone should be exactly on a 100 greatest fighters list and who should be there at all.

I mean I could see Bert Sugar having one because he is a dinosaur and was born probably before boxing was invented so he has seen them all live and too.

I remember when nobody even knew who, or what Bert Sugar was. He was an unknown , very minor "player". He arrived at his present position some years ago, by outliving all the REAL experts.

[JAB5239]

Wise response, no sense putting on an act like some of these "experts".

Just because you don't know **** about boxing or its history doesn't make everyone else an expert, just smarter than you.

[baracuda]

All Im saying is Wilde, at his best was fighting more than once a month. Two years off is going to hurt anybodies rhythm and timing in my opinion, but more so the guy who was fighting more often. I don't know every detail either, but I don't think what I've stated is an illogical assumption either.

all im saying is none of us can come up with excuses for anyone in the 1920's fights or so because we dont know the details of what went on in the bout ........ to me, anyone who says big things like reasons why one lost from a fight in the ww1 era is just ****ing insanely trying to be an imprssive poster when in fact he's just going by the things he read, and not by the things he knows for sure!

[Hi-Dro]

all im saying is none of us can come up with excuses for anyone in the 1920's fights or so because we dont know the details of what went on in the bout ........ to me, anyone who says big things like reasons why one lost from a fight in the ww1 era is just ****ing insanely trying to be an imprssive poster when in fact he's just going by the things he read, and not by the things he knows for sure!

some of the things we read are true, yet some, or most are lies. How can we decipher what's true, or not? You are assuming that everything one reads is a lie which is absurd. Nevertheless, I would listen to poet's account over yours because he has shown over time that he knows the sport.