Almost none of you should have a top 100 ATG list

[Spray_resistant]

So should I just dismiss everything that's ever been historically recorded because I didn't see it myself? If I dig up 5 different newspaper accounts about the same fight and they all say the same things, are they all lying or exaggerating? And we do know for sure what their contemporaries thought of them as well. I didn't see the holocaust, but I damn well believe it happened and hasn't been exaggerated about. Whats the difference?

This difference is that this is boxing/boxers which are rated on specific criteria to understand you have to see for yourself or have no business having any opinion of.

Its a sport with set rules and based on those rules of the game we rate fighters and World history is not, you know these things in history happened because events leading up to the present time are in line with what is said to have happened while at the same time no one is rating anything.

So we can't use a Universal standard here because of these differences and what we are trying to convey to ppl with top 100 lists based generally on ratings of what ppl saw when they watched a fighter on some consistent basis.

[AKATheMack]

This difference is that this is boxing/boxers which are rated on specific criteria to understand you have to see for yourself or have no business having any opinion of.

Its a sport with set rules and based on those rules of the game we rate fighters and World history is not, you know these things in history happened because events leading up to the present time are in line with what is said to have happened while at the same time no one is rating anything.

So we can't use a Universal standard here because of these differences and what we are trying to convey to ppl with top 100 lists based generally on ratings of what ppl saw when they watched a fighter on some consistent basis.

I don't have that big of a problem what I have a problem with is people who have an ATG list criticizing other peoples ATG list when neither of them have seen more than 2min of the fighters they're arguing about. Makin up an ATG list is cute and all, but treating your list like its fact is just ridiculous.

[craigus1990]

Great post...

[JAB5239]

This difference is that this is boxing/boxers which are rated on specific criteria to understand you have to see for yourself or have no business having any opinion of.

Its a sport with set rules and based on those rules of the game we rate fighters and World history is not, you know these things in history happened because events leading up to the present time are in line with what is said to have happened while at the same time no one is rating anything.

So we can't use a Universal standard here because of these differences and what we are trying to convey to ppl with top 100 lists based generally on ratings of what ppl saw when they watched a fighter on some consistent basis.

Top 100 lists are far to subjective and opinionated to meet everyone approval. I do think a top 25 list can be realistically put together. I do not agree you have to see a fighter to form an opinion though. I've never seen Greb, but I've seen many of the fighters he beat and not only have their words but the words of ringside observers to back what has been said over and over by many different people. Only a fool would believe everybody else is lying about him and the words of others are of no value, my friend. There isn't much footage of Benny Leonard. But what there is shows a complete fighter. Combine that with his resume and the expert opinions of others and its not a leap to consider him among the 3 best lightweights ever. Now if there were no film of these fighters AND their opponents I would tend to agree with you. That isn't the case though. Peace.

[Spray_resistant]

Top 100 lists are far to subjective and opinionated to meet everyone approval. I do think a top 25 list can be realistically put together. I do not agree you have to see a fighter to form an opinion though. I've never seen Greb, but I've seen many of the fighters he beat and not only have their words but the words of ringside observers to back what has been said over and over by many different people. Only a fool would believe everybody else is lying about him and the words of others are of no value, my friend. There isn't much footage of Benny Leonard. But what there is shows a complete fighter. Combine that with his resume and the expert opinions of others and its not a leap to consider him among the 3 best lightweights ever. Now if there were no film of these fighters AND their opponents I would tend to agree with you. That isn't the case though. Peace.

I would say that posters can make valid and debate about periodical lists like I could make a top 50 ATG from 1985-present but not about fighters I can only read about or that are rated on some list by some 100 year old guys.

You could do what you are doing if it was just about wins or losses, but how they performed against certain opponents and styles, their defensive skill, punch output average, off nights for examples of things I look at and how i rate fighters..........I need videos to see and truly understand those things.

[S.G.]

I think it's fine and I find looking at other people's lists and using them as a basis for my own research can really help me wrap my head around this stuff. Whenever I read lists I just take it as a top 100 based on that specific person's knowledge and opinion anyway.

Some people find it easier to digest information when they can categorise it like that, and a lot of people I guess just find it fun compiling lists on subjects they are passionate about. Personally I'd never try to make a top 100 list or anything near that as I just don't have the patience for the research or the list making, but I've read as much as I can on the twenty or thirty usual suspects you find mentioned as the greatest of the greatest and I could probably sort them in some kind of order if I put my mind to it.

[geribeetus]

who really cares. if someone's interested in the history of the sport then more power to them.