I HATE Julio Chavez

[-Hyperion-]

chavez got into a fight with some people defending his bum son(omar) after struggling to get a SD over another bum......

people expect too much of chavez' sons IMO.....theyre own damn fault if theyre dissapointed.....

[Ido]

We ain't latinos Bro, we are Mexicans!!!

['Sugar' Freddi]

Watch how beautiful Chavez boxes in round 4.

[Alex_Hayden]

I could careless about a fighter's personality outside the ring. But JCC the fighter was a flat out machine. The guy took on the best of his time and gave out hellacious beatings for the most part.

People can complain about the Whitaker fight, but that incident was dwarfed by the rest of the moments where Chavez just massacred people. And you don't do the things Chavez did by being a punching bag, he had subtle defense and that's all you need if you can ****. He really didn't have the time to be running and ducking for an entire fight. That would have been time wasted, considering his offense. In boxing I really don't think you have to be a Whitaker or a Floyd in the defensive department to be successful to begin with. Obviously a defensive minded fighter can cruise and box, take the W to the scorecards fairly easily, but fighters like Chavez aren't built for that. They're built to kill.

As for Oscar having more "skill" than him, I don't know about that. Oscar might have had more speed, but that's it really. Chavez came out showing his best in his big fights and Oscar kind of disappointed on a off and on basis. Just goes to show what skill really is. Chavez would break guys down properly. Oscar would get flustered occasionally, only to show some heart and go for the kill later in fights. Oscar chose to brawl a lot when I think his physique called for more of a Marquez approach to the sport. If Oscar was a counter puncher/boxer/brawler like Juan, I think Oscar would have had a lot more success. Oscar had the speed, reach, power/leverage to take his time in fights, instead of being left hook happy and frequent in the chest of his opponents.

[jrosales13]

But yet you give Pac credit for doing the same with Morales, Cotto, Barrera, and many more??

Are you sure about that one?

[pistol whip]

it still pisses me off that he could stand in the ring and raise his fist, after the beating he took from Whittaker.

Who took the beating now??? Meldrick was the one who went to the Hospital pissing blood and had a fractured cheek and all sorts of other injuries.

[pistol whip]

I can't think of something Oscar did better than Julio besides jab. Seriously. Maybe I'm forgetting something tho..

I have to agree with you here the only diffrence was Oscar was so much bigger when he fought in the same divisions as Julio. Could you Imagine a 5ft 10 1/2In Julio Ceasar Chavez who weighed 170 pounds in between fights like Oscar did?

He would of been an ever more physically destructive fighter.

[jrosales13]

As for the bold , I dont mean to start a war , or to diss anyone. I will give you my honest opinion.l

Mexican fighters are exciting , few can win "boxing matches". They have that face first kind of style , where they dont care if they give up 2 to land 3.

Oscar De La Hoya was way more skilled than Chavez sorry to tell u. De La Hoya didnt rely on getting into wars to win fights. Boxing has evolved. Is not the same. Yes fights are attractive , I dont complain , but there are few to none left that can really put on a boxing clinic and still be respected as a great boxer.

What did Oscar do better than JCC? JCC has underrated skills, he wasn't a defensive wizard but he could roll off punches.

Dont get me wrong , Im not with TS , I like chavez. You cannot escape the fcat that mexican fighters are brawlers. They just cant keep from getting into a war. That doesnt imply that ur a great fighter. I mean , I can be the baddest most skilled mother****er in the world , but hit me in the right place , and Im going down , if I get up , you hit me again a few times and Im off balance I might not get up.

Yes beat downs are attractive and we all love them.

You have to have skills to beat top fighters. Mayorga is a brawler why didn't he have the career of JCC? Margarito brawler why didn't he have the career of JCC. JCC beat top fighters in not 1, not 2, but 3 divisions. He went unbeaten through 3 division in his first 90 fights. And, fought top fighter elite fighters along the way. Took "0" from top fighters. You don't do that by just being nothing but a face first brawler.

But just take Tito-DLH into consideration for a moment , Tito was not as skilled as DLH , Tito had power , good movements , he bobbed and weaved a lot , he loved handing beat downs , but Against DLH , he was chasing a "boxer" all night long. How many Mexicans did Tito defeat. That stood there , willing to trade in an attempt to win , and just so it happened that they found a another hard hitting machine , who was not willing to get hit as often.

Im not arguing about How great he was or not , I think you might be blinded or something , dont really know if your mexican , but if you are that might be the case.

And another thing , dont be so hard on DLH , the man deserves his credit , I mean , some of you want to take Duran because his father was mexican , but not DLH , you take Vargas right?? How bout Benavidez.

Well Tito beat Oscar, and Oscar ran in the last 4 rounds trying to survive. Not cuz he had it in the bag.

I am not Mexican, so that is not the case. When you say "you" does not really apply to me when it comes in taking Duran, Vargas, or Benavidez.

And, the reason is that Oscar is fake, if have a fake image then a lot of people will not like you. How can you like fake ass people?

[jrosales13]

Lol damn Jro this thread isn't even about Oscar. I know you told me you hate him but come on bro.

I didn't bring up Oscar, the TS did lol. Crying that JCC didn't support Oscar and that is why Oscar is not like by Mexican. And, that is the reason the TS doesn't have respect for JCC. So the thread does have to do with Oscar a little bit. Plus every time somebody mentions Oscar. I will give my opinion, FTP.

[jrosales13]

I have to agree with you here the only diffrence was Oscar was so much bigger when he fought in the same divisions as Julio. Could you Imagine a 5ft 10 1/2In Julio Ceasar Chavez who weighed 170 pounds in between fights like Oscar did?

He would of been an ever more physically destructive fighter.

JCC, 5'10 170 pound in between fights? Wow..... That would of been crazy.

And, I agree I don't see how Oscar had better skills. A lot guys think just cuz a guy is fast and is flashy and use a little bit of movement then he is automatically the better skilled guy. Which is not the case.