why the hell is manny accepting 14 days when that offer has been long gone already???

[V.WEBB]

because he doesn't have to?



why is Floyd so scared?

Why didn't he take that stand in the beginning and NOT agree? That makes ZERO sense.

[icebergisonfire]

It is really tough to stomach the ******ity tossed around here. None of us are stepping into the ring. If I'm going into the ring, I want to make sure that my opponent is clean. Is that really so hard to imagine? Floyd and Manny punch each other for a living. Here we have Floyd Landis finally admitting PED usage and before his admission, France is pushing for tougher testing. If a person is against proper random drug testing, then that is being selfish to the highest degree.

Giro promises tougher controls in 2010


Giro d’Italia organizers are promising that this year’s race, which starts on Saturday in Amsterdam, will have “the most intensive anti-doping controls in the history of cycling.”

In recent years, the Italian national tour has been plagued by a series of doping scandals that have involved top riders that either test positive at the race itself or were involved in doping cases soon after the completion of the event. Race director Angelo Zomegnan said that the Giro is determined to stop doping in an effort to “protect the health of riders and to restore the image of the Giro – and cycling – in the public’s view.”

Zomegnan said the race will conduct even more anti-doping tests than the 481 that were processed in 2009.

With an increased number of tests, the Giro will rely on four of Europe’s WADA-certified laboratories, including those in Rome, Lausanne, Switzerland, Cologne, Germany and the French national lab at Châtenay-Malabry. Those tests will be monitored by independent observers.

The race has also required that 15 riders from each participating team – nine riders and six named as alternates – have been required to submit samples in advance of Saturday’s start. Those samples will be compared with data on file in connection with the UCI’s biological passport program.

Two of last year’s top three finishers have been involved in doping controversies. Second-place finisher Danilo Di Luca later had his results negated after samples he submitted during the Giro were found to be positive. Third-place finisher Franco Pellizotti was suspended on Monday after the UCI found abnormal variations in his blood values.



Read more: http://competitor.com/2010/05/other-...#ixzz0oUVgm2cN

Looking up the story on Franco Pellizotti and Danilo Di Luca, this is what I found

The UCI said that Di Luca, winner of the 2007 Tour of Italy, tested positive for the banned-blood booster erythropoietin (EPO) CERA on May 20 and May 28 following blood tests carried out by a French laboratory.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...o-dItalia.html

Top Italian cyclist Franco Pellizotti was banned from the Giro d’Italia on Monday because his irregular blood levels suggested he resorted to doping.

http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2010...-doping-98688/

Ironically, or perhaps not, both were tripped up with blood tests.

This is what boxing and all sports really need.

The biological passport, put in place at the start of the 2008 season, detects drug-taking by building an electronic haemocritic profile over a period of time and includes results of individual urine tests and also individual blood tests and highlighting abnormal variations.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...d-values-25987

Many more cases have been brought against riders who tested positive for banned drugs after being targeted based on their biological passport readings.

More than 850 riders across cycling’s disciplines have given a series of blood and urine samples allowing WADA laboratories to create individual body chemistry profiles. Researchers can then detect the effects of doping rather than test for each banned drug.

Su****ious profiles are presented to a panel of nine independent experts from around the world. They advise if evidence is strong enough to pursue a case.

Meanwhile in the world of boxing. NASC is just saying, piss for us on this date and that date and we're good. It's inadequate and every last person here knows it. Boxing needs something comphrensive like this.

[Spacey1991]

so how come the other 40 opponents didnt get tested? why does JMM not get tested?


its not about an even playing field...get that out of your head...it never was


its about paranoia...its about singling people out...and its about hiding behind testing

Thats irrelevant, just because he didn't use it before doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to ensure that everyone is being fair... maybe he has only just thought about it, whether or not he used it against his other opponent makes no difference, its still a good idea to ensure that there is an even playing field.

No, its about an even playing field, thats whats in my head... he said all he asks for is being ensured that no foul play is in order, whether or not you believe him is JYO.

Anyway, im leaving this thread now... cause I can see myself getting ****** into this thread and start talking about the same **** with different people (that aint a stab at you, I just mean the topic in general), ive said my piece, gave my opinion and thats all I am gonna do now.

[Alibata]

Oh man, how you have changed!

I am just being agreeable to both parties. 24 days was good for me but floyd said he'd do 14, manny said he'd do 14.....Lets get it on!!!!!

[p4p-champ]

Nope, sorry. Pac is giving into Floyd's original demands, period. He's bending more than he should.

You fail to realize Pac didn't have to do ANY additional testing if he didn't want to, since it's not a requirement.

Floyd wanted the 14 days, after a long negotiation, it failed. Now, Pac is giving in more then he probably should, so the ball is in Floyd's court. If he doesn't take it, he doesn't want the fight since this is what he wanted.

Pac is giving into Floyd's original demands? You need to keep up with the news son, the original demand has ALWAYS been full random blood testing up to the day of the fight. You just wake up from a coma or something?

And what is the bull**** about pac bending backwards...was it not Mayweather that accepted a ridiculous high weight penalty requested by Pacman? Mayweather accepted it with no hesitations instead of trying to lower the penalty. He also didn't hide behind the "I only go by the NSAC" rules.

this is awesome...the *******s are back out in full force now that Many is done with elections and has opened his mouth.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Thats irrelevant, just because he didn't use it before doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to ensure that everyone is being fair... maybe he has only just thought about it, whether or not he used it against his other opponent makes no difference, its still a good idea to ensure that there is an even playing field.

No, its about an even playing field, thats whats in my head... he said all he asks for is being ensured that no foul play is in order, whether or not you believe him is JYO.

Anyway, im leaving this thread now... cause I can see myself getting ****** into this thread and start talking about the same **** with different people (that aint a stab at you, I just mean the topic in general), ive said my piece, gave my opinion and thats all I am gonna do now.

you crack me up kiddo


green K

[AKATheMack]

It is really tough to stomach the ******ity tossed around here. None of us are stepping into the ring. If I'm going into the ring, I want to make sure that my opponent is clean. Is that really so hard to imagine? Floyd and Manny punch each other for a living. Here we have Floyd Landis finally admitting PED usage and before his admission, France is pushing for tougher testing. If a person is against proper random drug testing, then that is being selfish to the highest degree.




Looking up the story on Franco Pellizotti and Danilo Di Luca, this is what I found






Ironically, or perhaps not, both were tripped up with blood tests.

This is what boxing and all sports really need.





Meanwhile in the world of boxing. NASC is just saying, piss for us on this date and that date and we're good. It's inadequate and every last person here knows it. Boxing needs something comphrensive like this.

You do see the big difference here dont you? Individual riders are not the ones implementing the better testing.

[Horus]

There is no logic, Horus. Whatever Manny says is true, that's just how they work.

You know what's funny? And I don't even know if you remember, but I used to constantly flame you when you made Mayweather threads. I mean, I used to get in your a**! . Now that I support OSDT and accuse Manny of lying, I'm a *****. Guess what? If people on these boards are gonna play that dumb then I'll be that!

Yeah I remember that, but it is funny how something leave Steroids, Peds, and people lying. Could make people who used to take constant shots at each other.. suddanly agree on this topic.

[IMDAZED]

Dazed I know you were one of the few maybe the only one on here who didn't like the 14 days request. So my post is not about you.

And, you know I personally felt the date was too soon. I PM'd you saying Roach and co was probably not ready. I thought the Cowboys stadium had to do with it to. So they found a way to get out of the fight.

Now if people want to say that since Pac didn't accept the 14 for March 13 so id a duck. Then fine scream it I don't give a fuck. Fine he ducked. But, he is ready now.

However, the same posters who voted saying on that poll that 14 days was fair. Are now having an a issue and not liking the 14 days consideration for Pac. Dazed I find that hypocritical by some posters that i respect.

Personally I would love for Pac to got with no cut off date. Becasue, I don't want to hear no ***** ass excuse, from ***** ass Floyd fans if Pac beat Floyd. But, there is also another part of me that I don't care what compromise they come up with. I just want to see the fight.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a ****ed up situation. And those same posters who thought 14 days was cool and now hate it are like the opposite of the *******s. They'll just happily agree with whatever Floyd says and flame the other guy.

My issue has, and has always been, Pacquiao's refusal to submit to full drug-testing protocol. Yes, I understand that Floyd's admission is one that suggests concern - perhaps of losing his zero. In fact, of course it is. But that doesn't excuse a fighter who has concocted story after story to support his claim that he needs a month to recover from a blood test. Now today, we hear that, essentially, what he had been saying before was untrue. Something is rotten in Denmark. The posters may be different but like you, I've lost respect for the posters who would blindly follow whatever the next man says.

Anyway, I think it's very possible that we don't see either fighter square off if this fight goes through. Over drug testing? Lord, what a shame.

[ИATAS]

The only thing that matters to me when I log on a board is some real talk. And when Floyd asked for OST, you said he was using it as an excuse to duck. When he compromised to 14 days, you asked what was wrong with 24. Today, you're saying that if he turns down 14 days then he's avoiding the fight. What does that sound like to you?

nah son, you're completely generalizing and placing me into a group with certain members and putting words in my mouth.

At the end I said they, both camps, should have met somewhere in the middle of that (like 16-17 days) and that both camps were at fault for the fight falling through. You can dig up old quotes if you want that's what I said. I also stated it was probably more to do with Bob Arum & Golden Boy feuding and how both camps used the media incorrectly more so than the actual cut off date that killed the fight.