Reasonable doubt....PEDs

[cixthree]

You said he has not been hurt at a higher weight-class. He said he got hurt by Cotto. I mean Hopkins been hurt also. Sometimes you learn on how not to show that you're hurt. Getting hurt and getting wobbled is two different things. Wobbled can be caused by bad balance.

Again, is not a fact is an opinion.

Ok, now you're comming with op/assumptions. Is it fact that Manny has learned to show he's not hurt? Its a fact he said he was hurt, but doesn't being hit hurt anyway?
Hurt/wobbled, so what was he in his lower weight fights, hurt or wobbled? Cause I didn't /haven't seen any of that sinse he's gone up.

[brick wall]

True: now we have the test to prove both are not using. On one hand you have Floyd, linked to a drug trafficker willing to fully do random blood and urine. The other we have Manny, linked to a trainer who knowingly trains fighters on the juice. NOT willing to undergo FULL random blood and urine,

what about floyd's past 40 fights? can i use that link to his father's drug dealing to suspect him of using drugs? i can also assume that he already stopped using drugs after he came back from retirement that's why he's brave to demand blood testing. you see speculations are limitless but most of the times it's ****** to dwell in speculations and rumors.

[cixthree]

what about floyd's past 40 fights? can i use that link to his father's drug dealing to suspect him of using drugs? i can also assume that he already stopped using drugs after he came back from retirement that's why he's brave to demand blood testing. you see speculations are limitless but most of the times it's ****** to dwell in speculations and rumors.

What about his past 40 fight? Yes we can assume he has stopped using, but we can't assume he is not clean now (request for OSDT).
Its not limitless, its pretty simple.

Floyd seemed to be the same fighter after OSDT so I can assume he has been clean his other 40 fights. Now we will see if Manny performs the same as his last 5 after OSDT.

[cixthree]

what about floyd's past 40 fights? can i use that link to his father's drug dealing to suspect him of using drugs? i can also assume that he already stopped using drugs after he came back from retirement that's why he's brave to demand blood testing. you see speculations are limitless but most of the times it's ****** to dwell in speculations and rumors.

And you have seemed to not comment on the Arum/Oscar part, why?

[Monte Fisto]

1. His trainer is known to train fighters while "knowing" they are juiced (fact)..
2. His strength coach "Manny has no idea what he takes" (fact)..
3. He has gained double the stamina in just one years time. (Fact)..
4. He refuses to comply with FULL RANDOM blood and urine testing. (Fact)
5. He was very good in the lower weights, pushed when faced with elites, rocked/wobbled in a number of lower weight matches. But has not been rocked/wobbled/hurt by bigger stronger men in the upper weight div. And has even allowed one of the hardest body punchers at 147 to freely go to his body, while up against the ropes. He's been knocked out by a body shot before. (Fact)

His promoter, while promoting Oscar early is now asking Oscar to sign a release waiver. A waiver that will unseal test results from his past fights. The promoter is quoted as saying "I know when it happend and how many times"
Question: if he knew, then why did he allow it? If he knew then and allowed it, who's to say he's not doing the same thing with his current cash cow?

If any of what I've put out is false then let me know. There is so much reasonable doubt here, and most if not all fair jurys would raise a brow to these facts.

#1 Freddie didn't know his fighter was juicin', he may have wondered about it, but that's different from knowing !!

#2 There's a more current interview of Ariza which he goes over what exactly is in that mix

#3 He hasn't doubled ****, it's PAC being PAC. from 95 to 2010. Hmm, I guess he's off PEDs when he's facing counter-punchers, 'cause his workrate surely ain't the same, lol

#4 Full random blood test, you're correct. Urine test, you're wrong, he's willing to pee in a cup anytime, even right before he gets in the ring, lmao

#5 Well, MAB, Erika and Juanita are ATG. The folks he has been fighting at the higher weightclasses, wouldn't even make it to the HOF, atleast not first ballot. The reason why he's been dominating these guys is because they're not as talented nor as skilled as some of the guys he fought at the lower weight classes, they're just bigger, but not better fighters.

Oh, and as far as that body shot, and, this is just my impression of that whole thing, since I personally saw that fight on realtime. PAC already lost his title on the scales for coming over the weight limit. So, that fight was meaningless to him, he basically just showed up to collect his paycheck, I don't even think he was actually hurt, he took a dive on that one. Again, that's just my opinion.

All I gotta say is this, back then drug tests wasn't available to the public, but the same tests that PAC is taking now, is the same one De La Joto was doing, and so far, PAC has tested negative.

So what if Arum knew, he doesn't have the legal right to announce the test results to the public. Shane Mosley was with GBP prior to OSTs and they themselves rejected Zab Judah's demand for OSTs, why is that ?

Now, that Shane needs the $$$ for his bills and divorce, he gladly agreed to OSTs, lmao.

[brick wall]

What about his past 40 fight? Yes we can assume he has stopped using, but we can't assume he is not clean now (request for OSDT).
Its not limitless, its pretty simple.

Floyd seemed to be the same fighter after OSDT so I can assume he has been clean his other 40 fights. Now we will see if Manny performs the same as his last 5 after OSDT.

that's exactly what you and the other *****s should do rather than flood this forum with your endless speculations.
ost is an option for any fighter...it's not mandatory but i hope pac takes it to shut up floyd's and his fans mouths.

[brick wall]

And you have seemed to not comment on the Arum/Oscar part, why?

what about it? is it that important for me to know and do i really have to comment?

[thatnickuh]

that's exactly what you and the other *****s should do rather than flood this forum with your endless speculations.
ost is an option for any fighter...it's not mandatory but i hope pac takes it to shut up floyd's and his fans mouths.

So will you shut your mouth with all the BS excuses and Pacquiao-apologizing until he does take the tests? I see a lot of you Pacquiao fanatics saying that you hope he takes the tests, but I see none of you questioning why he's not taking the tests. You all only question Mayweather about his motives and whatnot. Quite telling.

[loui_ludwig]

Another hater crying thread.

[cixthree]

#1 Freddie didn't know his fighter was juicin', he may have wondered about it, but that's different from knowing !!

#2 There's a more current interview of Ariza which he goes over what exactly is in that mix

#3 He hasn't doubled ****, it's PAC being PAC. from 95 to 2010. Hmm, I guess he's off PEDs when he's facing counter-punchers, 'cause his workrate surely ain't the same, lol

#4 Full random blood test, you're correct. Urine test, you're wrong, he's willing to pee in a cup anytime, even right before he gets in the ring, lmao

#5 Well, MAB, Erika and Juanita are ATG. The folks he has been fighting at the higher weightclasses, wouldn't even make it to the HOF, atleast not first ballot. The reason why he's been dominating these guys is because they're not as talented nor as skilled as some of the guys he fought at the lower weight classes, they're just bigger, but not better fighters.

Oh, and as far as that body shot, and, this is just my impression of that whole thing, since I personally saw that fight on realtime. PAC already lost his title on the scales for coming over the weight limit. So, that fight was meaningless to him, he basically just showed up to collect his paycheck, I don't even think he was actually hurt, he took a dive on that one. Again, that's just my opinion.

All I gotta say is this, back then drug tests wasn't available to the public, but the same tests that PAC is taking now, is the same one De La Joto was doing, and so far, PAC has tested negative.

1. Freddy did know, check your history and quotes.

2. What did Alex "say" was in his special blend? Wait, he said "all natural herbs" rite? That's the list you speak of?

3. Workrate. Pac has always had a good workrate true and I don't knock that. But after 4 rounds Pac would slow his rate, fights in spurts, not 1200 punches dude.

4. I know I'm rite, but if you don't admit that urine can't detect certain things than for one you haven't done any research, and 2 you don't wanna know that urine can't detect certain things.

5. So JMM, EM, MAB all hit harder than Cotto?

As for the testing back then:
I was only pointing out that Arum knew about Oscar, if he knew then who's to say he doesn't know something about his current cash cow.
And you're rite, Manny has tested clean with the (scheduled) urine tests, but so did Shane.


So Pac fights for pride not money, but he just showed up to collect huh?
And if you know that Pac came in over, do you still support his 10mill per request?