Mosley-Mayweather: The Strategy

[djsygo]

Floyd can counter Mosley's short jab in many ways, not just with the right hand, he can hook over it, he can anticipate it with his own jab to the body, he can just make him miss and then jump in kangaroo left hook style. Also shanes hook is too wild, hes gonna dodge it and counter with a left to the body and overhand right combo

[^^Cody^^]

LoL@ "he couldn't against Baldomir?" haha. Floyd could have done anything he wanted with Baldomir. Baldomir walks around near 180 lbs and did not win 1 minute of 1 round.

[IMDAZED]

LoL@ "he couldn't against Baldomir?" haha. Floyd could have done anything he wanted with Baldomir. Baldomir walks around near 180 lbs and did not win 1 minute of 1 round.

Who is denying this?

[^^Cody^^]

I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.

I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.

Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I think the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.

Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards he'll look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eyes closed. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can put you on your ass.

Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.


Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.

Wow very well written. 100%. If I had green karma I'd give it!!

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I was watching Teddy Atlas go over the strategy for Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather and noticed he said (as many have on here) that Mayweather will look to counter Mosley's jab with the right. I think everyone realizes this...including Mosley himself and ****m Richardson. I suspect that they will be looking to roll off the right and counter with their own. Extremely tough to do because Floyd's counter right is so quick and punishing.

Which leads to my second point. Shane Mosley's jab isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Folks, he's been using that jab throughout a career which, at point, was a glistening 38-0. You don't become the best fighter in the world using a bad jab. Maybe no jab, but not a bad one. He used the jab extremely well against De La Hoya in 2000. He used it well against Margarito as well. Shane has always flicked it out in a pawing manner but he is capable of mixing a hard jab in there which can totally throw off your timing. It confounded Oscar repeatedly. And sometimes he'll flick out a couple jabs then turn the third into a hook. Or a crunching right. of course, Floyd doesn't fight like an Oscar or Margarito. But if Mosley can make him just a bit hesitant to throw that straight right over the top, he could slow him down just enough to land his own. Or set him up for it with one of those "flick" jabs which is really a big right in hiding.

Finally, the theory that "Mosley can be outboxed" therefore Floyd will outbox doesn't work. Floyd isn't Vernon Forrest, nor is he Winky Wright, two big, rangy men who walked Shane down and kept him at the end of their punches. And while Miguel Cotto had success boxing (in the last few rounds, I guess?), all three of those guys had the strength to keep Mosley tentative at times and on his heels at others. Can Mayweather fight that kind of fight against a full-fledged welter? He couldn't against Baldomir. And he hasn't fought a true welter since. Floyd is deservedly the favorite. But those who think this will be a walkover need to think again.

This is what Mosley needs to do to win:

Mosley cannot fight Mayweather's fight, meaning he can't stand outside and box thinking this is 1998. He is still a solid fighter but let's be real here, Mosley is not in his prime, much like DLH wasn't when Floyd fought him.

Before the ignorant Floyd fans come on here and attack me, that's not a knock on Floyd, it's just the truth. Floyd is a great fighter but fighters like DLH and Mosley weren't the same at 34-38 yrs old than when they were 28-30 yrs old, they just weren't.

Mosley has to take chances, he has to absorb Mayweather's shots and move forward and impose the strength and size advantage most of us think he has against Floyd. If he thinks he can stand outside and box with Floyd, it will be another 12 rd UD for Floyd guaranteed.

Floyd's jab is great and so is his lead hook, both set up the right hand that is probably the fastest in boxing right now. Mosley needs to use his own right hand and get inside to muscle and bully Mayweather.

I just don't think he can box with Mosley at this stage of his career and I hope he doesn't try like DLH did and fall short.

Mayweather is one of the best boxers going backwards, I think that's one of his great attributes he has. Mosley has to attack because Mayweather will not move forward, even against the smaller JMM who is also a counter puncher, Floyd made him move forward.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Wow very well written. 100%. If I had green karma I'd give it!!

Thanks alot bro.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

you are right. mosley gotta use his weakness to his advantage. his jab isn't as good as floyd xylocaine jr. so he can use it to set floyd up since floyd will be looking to counter it.

atlas was also right, mosley gotta get floyd to straighten up so he can land the right hand.

mosley also needs to counter floyd's jab with head movement. he can't just turn his head like he usually does.

if all else fails, he needs to make the fight rough and muscle floyd around.

that's all tactics.

imho this should be the strategy.

round 1: mosley can try and see if he can box w/ floyd and match floyd's speed and timing. most likely mosley won't be able to.

round 2-8: mosley gotta make it a rough fight. that means clinching and punching in the clinch, ****ing the body, putting his weight on floyd, and an occasional head butt to try and cut floyd over the eyes or cause swelling.

round 9-12: go into counterpunch mode. at this point, the fight will be very ugly and close so floyd will get a little more aggressive opening up his offense and try and win the championship rounds. this is when mosley will have a chance to counter floyd. the only problem is, will mosley still be fresh enough to counter floyd.

Pull, the strategy that you present is pretty interesting. But remember that Floyd has been doing this for a long while now, and knows how to fight rough just as Shane does. I don't think it would be wise for Shane to try and make it a dirty fight, as Shane needs a rhythm and can at times allow himself to smother his punches. Floyd can fight in the pocket if necessary, so it'll be interesting to me to see if he places his punches to the chest of Floyd rather than to **** Floyds body. Floyd keeps that right elbow tucked very neatly so the liver punch is out of the question as far as I can see it. But his chest is right there for a good left hook if Shane can turn Floyd to get the shot off.

Shane's pride is far too great for him to play counter-puncher, as he will want to prove to all that he is willing to "make it a fight" so I think that the counter-punching aspect for Shane will be close to non-existant. The most interesting thing about this fight to me is to see how Shane is going to react when a "smaller" man(Floyd) frustrates him. Alot of people like to look at the Vernon(R.I.P) and Winky fights as to how Shane reacts when puzzled. To me this is not an accurate picture of the type of Shane that we will see if he is frustrated by Floyd. Shane takes alot of pride in having a "good" chin but did not seem as willing to test it with Winky or Vernon(R.I.P.), I think he will be more willing to test his chin with Floyd being the smaller man and be a little bit more careless when frustrated. That would not bode well for him as Floyd has the ability to put any fighter "in trouble" through well placed, sharp, accurate punches. If he catches Shane being brave with his chin, this fight could go where NO ONE is predicting it to go.

One thing that I think Shane should not do is bounce up and down waiting on Floyd. Shane is vunerable when he does this and Floyd will be in and out before he sets to throw. Shane is going to have to do a little speed/power Boxing in order to beat Floyd, as well as have 4 different game plans to rotate every couple of rounds so that Floyd does not get a chance to adjust to him. Remember Floyd does make adjustments mid-round without provacation from his corner, he doesn't need Roger to say much at all; it'll be intresting to see who's corner is going to be the busiest of the two.. The best thing about Shane's corner is that Brother ****m is the the one and only voice in that corner, so Shane only has one voice to follow instructions from and not two and three like how we saw with Cotto's corner in the Pac fight.

[Hi-Dro]

im interested to see how this fight plays out

[AllEyesOpen]

I think Mayweather's jab will be as important as the right hand in this one. Mosley's jab is solid when thrown with conviction, but it rarely is. Mayweather seldom uses the jab but can use it very well to both the head and the pit of the stomach.

I see this fight playing out a lot like Mayweather/Judah; Mosley will try his best to keep the pressure on Mayweather & will probably win a few of the early rounds. Mayweather will use the jab to keep Mosley at a good distance and the right hand to make him pay for any mistakes.

In the end I see this fight won by Mayweather in the mid to late rounds. I know that Mosley finishes strong but i think trying to keep up with Mayweathers' movement and accurate counterpunching will leave Mosley tired and discouraged.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

You guys that follow boxing as long as you have should understand weight in the context that you make statements ,,,,

Collazo weighed 161 lbs Hatton weighed 158 , a big mistake on Rickys part trying to build up to a full WW , he couldnt he was soft slow and had no air , the trainer said they will never make that mistake again , they didnt .

Baldy is close to 170 on fight night and Floyd was under 151 , it would be some kind of mean feat for Floyd to give that much weight and out muscle a iron chinned fighter like Baldy , Floyd fought the way he had to giving the weight away that he did .

When Hatton fought Floyd he weighed his usual best fighting weight 152-3 the same weight he was beating KT Castillo and the same weight he stepped in with Pac ,,,, against Hatton Floyd was 151 , Floyd had no trouble matching strength with Hatton , first thing Hatton said was his strength surprised him .

Now doesnt that throw a different light , on saying all these guys are WWs , how can people disregard the actual weight they fight at when it is so more important than a 30 hr dried out weigh-in weight in evaluating a fight , every major fight I listen and look for the actual fight weights they hold the key to the performance .

Floyd is deceivingly strong and has such great balance and fluidly that he can turn an opponents strength back on himself , I dont think Shane will be that much more powerful than Floyd who has now only matured into a WW .

Very good points. Beautiful post, truely beautiful post potna.