Mosley-Mayweather: The Strategy

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I was watching Teddy Atlas go over the strategy for Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather and noticed he said (as many have on here) that Mayweather will look to counter Mosley's jab with the right. I think everyone realizes this...including Mosley himself and ****m Richardson. I suspect that they will be looking to roll off the right and counter with their own. Extremely tough to do because Floyd's counter right is so quick and punishing.

Which leads to my second point. Shane Mosley's jab isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Folks, he's been using that jab throughout a career which, at point, was a glistening 38-0. You don't become the best fighter in the world using a bad jab. Maybe no jab, but not a bad one. He used the jab extremely well against De La Hoya in 2000. He used it well against Margarito as well. Shane has always flicked it out in a pawing manner but he is capable of mixing a hard jab in there which can totally throw off your timing. It confounded Oscar repeatedly. And sometimes he'll flick out a couple jabs then turn the third into a hook. Or a crunching right. of course, Floyd doesn't fight like an Oscar or Margarito. But if Mosley can make him just a bit hesitant to throw that straight right over the top, he could slow him down just enough to land his own. Or set him up for it with one of those "flick" jabs which is really a big right in hiding.

Finally, the theory that "Mosley can be outboxed" therefore Floyd will outbox doesn't work. Floyd isn't Vernon Forrest, nor is he Winky Wright, two big, rangy men who walked Shane down and kept him at the end of their punches. And while Miguel Cotto had success boxing (in the last few rounds, I guess?), all three of those guys had the strength to keep Mosley tentative at times and on his heels at others. Can Mayweather fight that kind of fight against a full-fledged welter? He couldn't against Baldomir. And he hasn't fought a true welter since. Floyd is deservedly the favorite. But those who think this will be a walkover need to think again.

[Doctor_Tenma]

All very interesting, VERY. But Mayweather is alot stronger then he was against Baldomir. Against Baldomir, Mayweather still looked like a Jr WW to me. Think it's safe to say Hatton is stronger then Baldomir, and we all watched Mayweather maneuver Hatton around the ring. I don't like Mosley's jab, I've never had anything good to say about it. Mosley's jab is more like a little tap, he doesn't extend on it, he leaves it out there and it's mainly to set up the straight/ overhand right. Against Mayweather, that jab is useless, atleast IMO. I do agree that he's real quick to turn that jab into a left hook; we'll see.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.

I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.

Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I think the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.

Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards he'll look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eyes closed. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can put you on your ass.

Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.


Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.

[etlux]

I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.

I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.

Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I tink the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.

Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards hell look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eye close. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can pout you on your ass.

Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.


Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.

absolutely agree. obviously floyd can't ko mosley outright but accumulation of punches stoppage via corner is realistic

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All very interesting, VERY. But Mayweather is alot stronger then he was against Baldomir. Against Baldomir, Mayweather still looked like a Jr WW to me. Think it's safe to say Hatton is stronger then Baldomir, and we all watched Mayweather maneuver Hatton around the ring. I don't like Mosley's jab, I've never had anything good to say about it. Mosley's jab is more like a little tap, he doesn't extend on it, he leaves it out there and it's mainly to set up the straight/ overhand right. Against Mayweather, that jab is useless, atleast IMO. I do agree that he's real quick to turn that jab into a left hook; we'll see.

I don't think Hatton is stronger than Baldomir. Hatton was a powerhouse at 140 but he couldn't outmuscle Louis Collazo at 147. Sure, he came forward and threw tons of punches but in the end he was the one gasping for breath and looking a round or two away from a TKO. Baldomir has stood in with big welters and super welters. Both he and Mayweather are stronger than Hatton.

I see your point on Mosley's jab and it could be proven on May 1st. But what I see when I watch him is him- in a very subtle manner - use those flicks to set up the real jabs. And he throws them. And they're good. I really like Mosley's jab. I think Roger does too which is why he keeps telling Shane he ain't got one and will have to maul Floyd.

[educator06]

very interesting take.... i dont see may coming out of this fight with a win.

[carlos slim]

watching this video shows mosley does not have the skills or elusiveness of mayweather....unless mosley hurts floyd early and often floyd will pull away in the later rounds big...i really think this will be a huge win for floyd....

[street bully]

mayweather will make Shane use his legs, which are no longer as responsive as they once were. Taking mosley in the pocket is a bad idea, and will not work, mayweather will use his feet, get on his bike a little, and will make mosley move around in the ring, which will leave him uncomfortable, and frustrated, which in turn will have mosley taking too many chances and leaving himself open to be countred on ruite to a wide decision loss.

[Pullcounter]

I was watching Teddy Atlas go over the strategy for Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather and noticed he said (as many have on here) that Mayweather will look to counter Mosley's jab with the right. I think everyone realizes this...including Mosley himself and ****m Richardson. I suspect that they will be looking to roll off the right and counter with their own. Extremely tough to do because Floyd's counter right is so quick and punishing.

Which leads to my second point. Shane Mosley's jab isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Folks, he's been using that jab throughout a career which, at point, was a glistening 38-0. You don't become the best fighter in the world using a bad jab. Maybe no jab, but not a bad one. He used the jab extremely well against De La Hoya in 2000. He used it well against Margarito as well. Shane has always flicked it out in a pawing manner but he is capable of mixing a hard jab in there which can totally throw off your timing. It confounded Oscar repeatedly. And sometimes he'll flick out a couple jabs then turn the third into a hook. Or a crunching right. of course, Floyd doesn't fight like an Oscar or Margarito. But if Mosley can make him just a bit hesitant to throw that straight right over the top, he could slow him down just enough to land his own. Or set him up for it with one of those "flick" jabs which is really a big right in hiding.

Finally, the theory that "Mosley can be outboxed" therefore Floyd will outbox doesn't work. Floyd isn't Vernon Forrest, nor is he Winky Wright, two big, rangy men who walked Shane down and kept him at the end of their punches. And while Miguel Cotto had success boxing (in the last few rounds, I guess?), all three of those guys had the strength to keep Mosley tentative at times and on his heels at others. Can Mayweather fight that kind of fight against a full-fledged welter? He couldn't against Baldomir. And he hasn't fought a true welter since. Floyd is deservedly the favorite. But those who think this will be a walkover need to think again.

you are right. mosley gotta use his weakness to his advantage. his jab isn't as good as floyd xylocaine jr. so he can use it to set floyd up since floyd will be looking to counter it.

atlas was also right, mosley gotta get floyd to straighten up so he can land the right hand.

mosley also needs to counter floyd's jab with head movement. he can't just turn his head like he usually does.

if all else fails, he needs to make the fight rough and muscle floyd around.

that's all tactics.

imho this should be the strategy.

round 1: mosley can try and see if he can box w/ floyd and match floyd's speed and timing. most likely mosley won't be able to.

round 2-8: mosley gotta make it a rough fight. that means clinching and punching in the clinch, ****ing the body, putting his weight on floyd, and an occasional head butt to try and cut floyd over the eyes or cause swelling.

round 9-12: go into counterpunch mode. at this point, the fight will be very ugly and close so floyd will get a little more aggressive opening up his offense and try and win the championship rounds. this is when mosley will have a chance to counter floyd. the only problem is, will mosley still be fresh enough to counter floyd.

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I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.

I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.

Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I think the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.

Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards he'll look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eyes closed. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can put you on your ass.

Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.


Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.

Good analysis. I think this is a possible scenario. It will be interesting to see if Floyd has the legs to do it against a big, strong welter. His performance against Baldomir, for instance, was brilliant but also showed how size and consistent pressure can make a fighter move a lot more than they want to. Baldomir just didn't have the tools to do anything else.

Mosley will not be the smaller guy in there. And a lot of fighters - strong fighters - have found themselves feeling weary against him in the latter rounds. Floyd is used to fighting at a measured pace. If he's forced to do more, the results could be shocking. And I don't discount the result being what you stated above.