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It was an utter snoozefest. Holliday was an above average champ (at best) ripe for the taking. And it was supposed to be Mosley's coming-out party. Larry Merchant spent his pre-fight dialogue waxing poetic about Shane and comparing him to Ray Robinson. Then Shane went out there and failed to impress. If you haven't seen it before, you're gonna be scratching your head. Mosley would later blame his performance on nerves and issues with creatine (said he misused prior to the fight). In his next bout, he looked much better but it was then where I realized he didn't have that one-punch power (even at LW). He beat up Manuel Gomez (I think) for about ten rounds, hitting him with EVERYTHING but the stool before putting him away with a beautiful right in the 11th. The Holliday fight was history after that.
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So Ricky Hatton is a legend...? Alrighty.
That is a terrible comparison. Jeff Lacy was never considered one of the world's best. Jeff Lacy never beat a top fighter. We didn't "find out" Johnston wasn't good. He was ****ing good! He just lost to another elite fighter in his division. Lacy had done nothing in a weak division and did **** after while Johnston was someone everyone was SCREAMING for Floyd to fight, even after he had lost to Castillo. No one said, "Oh, I guess Johnston wasn't that good" after he lost (barely) to Castillo in two fights. We thought, "Who the **** is this other guy?" Then we found out how he had studied under Julio Cesar Chavez, then we saw him against other top fighters. Then we knew!Johnston was rated highly then!!! but like Jeff Lacy its what you found out about the fighter later in their career as to how good they were imo, not that im saying Johnston was on Lacy's level because he clearly wasn't, he was obviously better.
You can't have it both ways. We are talking at LW and at that weight, Mosley's resume doesn't hold a candle to Castillo's. With that in mind, I think it's reasonable to think Castillo was elite at that weight, no? I guess not.Im not saying Shane was great because of what he did at LW, i think Mosley is a legend because of his whole career, i bring up Mosley at LW because despite not having a particularly strong resume at the weight i think he would still run through Castillo in a head 2 head and so do you must probably, the reason for that is because Mosley is on another level being that he was an elite fighter and Castillo was not.
So...what does that mean? Nothing.Im aware he was past his best but they still happened......
And I'll refer to what I said above as well. Heck, it's arguable that even Kostya Tszyu is a legend. Heck, Vince Phillips was a top fighter at 140! Kelly Pavlik is elite at 160 today (whether you want to admit it or not) but he is nowhere near a legend.He is not a legend but he is elite? Lol. I wil refer you to what i said early in this post............"elite fighters invariably always become legends they attain status of elite! by distinguish themselves on a higher level to many of the other fighters"Comment
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I watched the fight about a year ago and im pretty sure i gave the first 4-5 rounds to Mayweather so that would mean Castillo pretty much has to win the rest.. not sure he did that
Not sure how adaptable you can be without the use of 1 arm pretty much.. he did well to hang on in and fight it out and proved in the rematch what would have happened but for the injury. FACT!Comment
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[QUOTE=IMDAZED;8038202]No, when did i say that, see its like i said you hear what you want to hear.So Ricky Hatton is a legend...? Alrighty.
That is a terrible comparison. Jeff Lacy was never considered one of the world's best. Jeff Lacy never beat a top fighter. We didn't "find out" Johnston wasn't good. He was ****ing good! He just lost to another elite fighter in his division. Lacy had done nothing in a weak division and did **** after while Johnston was someone everyone was SCREAMING for Floyd to fight, even after he had lost to Castillo. No one said, "Oh, I guess Johnston wasn't that good" after he lost (barely) to Castillo in two fights. We thought, "Who the **** is this other guy?" Then we found out how he had studied under Julio Cesar Chavez, then we saw him against other top fighters. Then we knew!
I knew you would pick up on the Lacy comparison pfft!, shakes head, its the principle im trying to get across to you, that no matter where a particular fighter is rated at that particular point in time it does not make him a better fighter or a better win, its what you found out about the guy later in his career as to where he should be rated, you dont get extra props for misplaced perception.
Im not asking to have it both ways, i never compared Shane's LW career to Castillo's, YOU! did.
You can't have it both ways. We are talking at LW and at that weight, Mosley's resume doesn't hold a candle to Castillo's. With that in mind, I think it's reasonable to think Castillo was elite at that weight, no? I guess not.
Pavlik elite, Lmao, priceless.And I'll refer to what I said above as well. Heck, it's arguable that even Kostya Tszyu is a legend. Heck, Vince Phillips was a top fighter at 140! Kelly Pavlik is elite at 160 today (whether you want to admit it or not) but he is nowhere near a legend.Comment
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At 140lbs, would you consider a prime Ricky Hatton an elite fighter?
Right. But there was no misplaced perception with Johnston. We found out that the other guy was elite too. That happens sometimes.I knew you would pick up on the Lacy comparison pfft!, shakes head, its the principle im trying to get across to you, that no matter where a particular fighter is rated at that particular point in time it does not make him a better fighter or a better win, its what you found out about the guy later in his career as to where he should be rated, you dont get extra props for misplaced perception.
Ok fine.Im not asking to have it both ways, i never compared Shane's LW career to Castillo's, YOU! did.
Ok then...Pavlik elite, Lmao, priceless.Comment
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jesus christ..people must be desperateComment
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