Mayeather is so adaptable he needed a rematch to figure out Castillo's style

[Dynamite Kid]

First of all, I'm not sure what Hatton has to do with anything. WTF??? Regardless, I stand by my opinion.

Second, Castillo wasn't a big name but hardcore fans knew Floyd was in for a tough fight when they first met. Just watch his two fights with the underrated Stevie Johnston (no one talks about him on here I see). Those were two excellent, premiere fighters showing off great skill. Then followed it up with a win over Bazan and then gave Floyd all he could handle in two fights. Soundly drubbed a prime Lazcano and don't forget that Casamayor (a prime Joel!) was one hell of a fighter too! None of these fighters are huge names but in their primes, they were ****in good. And Castillo has wins over them. Excellent in-fighter, solid jab, good power, steel chin, just an A-class fighter at 135 when he was at his peak.

Because i dont think there is much difference between them and when all said and done Hatton actually did beat an elite fighter in Tszyu, he had longevity at 140, he also beat Urango was was a two time tittle holder and beat Collazo for a 147lbs title, Collazo having took Berto to the wire in a fight some people think he won, he beat Paulie who beat Juan Diaz who has wins over Freitas, Katsidis, he beat Castillo himself, albeit arguably past best, beat Carlos Maussa who was a title holder at one point.


As i said Jonhston was a pretty good fighter but not elite.

Those were two excellent


To me it was a below par Mayweather with a bad shoulder who came down to Castillo's level because of the injury, that said he still underperformed and arguably should of lost, i dont put Castillo on no pedestal cause of that though. Castillo was a good LW, not great, no way was he GREAT!, that fight said more about Mayweather's ability to deal with the adversity(injury) in the fight.

Well i dont even think he deserved to beat Casamayor so......

Nate Campbell has a bigger claim to beating Casamayor than Castillo imo.

[Dynamite Kid]

I don't know about Mancini - I give Castillo a great shot. the rest of those guys are ****ing LEGENDS! My goodness. Ok, so Castillo wouldn't have beat Chavez, Duran, Whitaker and Mosley at 135. This proves what exactly? That he's not an ATG at 135? I agree. But he was an A-class fighter at that weight in his time.

It proves that he is capable of reigning in a division where he does not have to fight the top top guys, most elite fighters are considered legends.

A class fighter is only reserved for the ELITE! imo, Castillo certainly was not that.

Its hilarious when people call him a GREAT! LW, i feel sorry for people that say that.

[jonesy]

Mayeather is so adaptable he needed a rematch to figure out Castillo's style. Mayweather fans think the rematch erases the first fight, which he lost, because he re-matched Castillo, it does not work like that.

If you fight someone twice you WILL! have a much better idea of how to fight them and how to prepare for them, Mayweather got found out by a B class fighter and needed another crack at him to get it right because he could not figure him out first time.

Floyd lost the first fight hands down. Castillo was A class in his (short) prime though. Castillo outboxed the supposed pure boxer mayweather.

[IMDAZED]

Because i dont think there is much difference between them and when all said and done Hatton actually did beat an elite fighter in Tszyu, he had longevity at 140, he also beat Urango was was a two time tittle holder and beat Collazo for a 147lbs title, Collazo having took Berto to the wire in a fight some people think he won, he beat Paulie who beat Juan Diaz who has wins over Freitas, Katsidis, he beat Castillo himself, albeit arguably past best, beat Carlos Maussa who was a title holder at one point.

Castillo didn't have longevity at 135? Strange. Johnston wasn't elite at 135? I'm not sure where you're going with this. Carlos Maussa? Alrighty.

As i said Jonhston was a pretty good fighter but not elite.

Those were two excellent


To me it was a below par Mayweather with a bad shoulder who came down to Castillo's level because of the injury, that said he still underperformed and arguably should of lost, i dont put Castillo on no pedestal cause of that though. Castillo was a good LW, not great, no way was he GREAT!, that fight said more about Mayweather's ability to deal with the adversity(injury) in the fight.

Well i dont even think he deserved to beat Casamayor so......

Nate Campbell has a bigger claim to beating Casamayor than Castillo imo.

Nate Campbell didn't fight the same Casamayor that Castillo did. More important than who is when, Dynamite. Kostya Tszyu was a largely inactive fighter ripe for the upset. In fact, I picked Hatton to beat him. I'm not here to argue good/great. The idea that a prime Jose Louis Castillo was NOT an A class fighter is ludicrous. Ludicrous.

[Versatility]

And not to add further fuel to this debate but Castillo's record at 135 craps all over Shane's. Would he have beaten him at that weight? I'm not sure but Shane beat a whole lot of nobody's and washed up fighters at lightweight. His best opponent there was Philip Holliday and he looked like **** that fight. Compare that to guys like Johnston and Casamayor, Mayweather, Corrales, etc. Castillo fought FAR tougher comp at 135.

castillo>>>>> phillip holiday


i think holiday lost that fight by 2 or 3 points, cant remember watched it time ago, will post it here if i can find it on youtube.

[IMDAZED]

It proves that he is capable of reigning in a division where he does not have to fight the top top guys, most elite fighters are considered legends.

A class fighter is only reserved for the ELITE! imo, Castillo certainly was not that.

Its hilarious when people call him a GREAT! LW, i feel sorry for people that say that.

Wrong. Most elite fighters are not considered LEGENDS. There are many fighters over the years who were top forces in their division but were not legends by any means. Kelly Pavlik is an elite fighter at 160. Ricky Hatton was elite at 140. Neither are legends.

Furthermore, the notion that he is "capable of reigning in a division where he does not have to fight the top guys" makes no sense. Castillo FOUGHT the top guys at 135 and beat most of them. You consider Mosley a legend at 135...who in the world did he beat at 135 to be considered that???

[Versatility]

using the logic of TS: thomas daamgard beat phillip holiday worse than shane mosley, yes the same thomas who got stopped by Gatti. Is daamgard greater than mosley? is gatti better than mosley? no, not really, triangle theories dont work, and you shouldnt compare fights when a fighter is OUT OF HIS damn prime

i was just using the same logic ts..btw i dont want to compare daamgard, holiday or gatti but TS is saying castillo isnt that good because he lost to ngoudo, castillo hasnt been in his prime since hallf a decade.

[Postman prat]

castillo>>>>> phillip holiday


i think holiday lost that fight by 2 or 3 points, cant remember watched it time ago, will post it here if i can find it on youtube.

do you have this fight in good quality?

[Dynamite Kid]

Wrong. Most elite fighters are not considered LEGENDS. There are many fighters over the years who were top forces in their division but were not legends by any means. Kelly Pavlik is an elite fighter at 160. Ricky Hatton was elite at 140. Neither are legends.

Furthermore, the notion that he is "capable of reigning in a division where he does not have to fight the top guys" makes no sense. Castillo FOUGHT the top guys at 135 and beat most of them. You consider Mosley a legend at 135...who in the world did he beat at 135 to be considered that???

Of coarse they are Lol.

Kelly Pavlik is not an elite fighter Lmao, dont give me the BS about Taylor's wins over B Hop either, Hopkins himself was no longer elite when he beat Taylor imo, that is why he lost, if he had any where near close to his prime he would of been able to beat Taylor with ease, Hopkins has elite Boxing skills but what makes him NOT elite anymore is that fact his physical attributes of stamina, reflexes deteriorated a long time ago.

Castillo FOUGHT the top guys

I prolly prashed that wrong but what im getting at is, he beat Johston who whilst being a top guy in that particularly divison does not = capable of beating the elite, he got lucky against Casamayor imo.

No not just on his reign at LW no, i know he would plough threw Castillo like wet paper though.

[Counter Punch]

Mayeather is so adaptable he needed a rematch to figure out Castillo's style. Mayweather fans think the rematch erases the first fight, which he lost, because he re-matched Castillo, it does not work like that.

If you fight someone twice you WILL! have a much better idea of how to fight them and how to prepare for them, Mayweather got found out by a B class fighter and needed another crack at him to get it right because he could not figure him out first time.

Much like Pacquiao fans erase the Erik Morales loss. Which was an actual loss.