Mayeather is so adaptable he needed a rematch to figure out Castillo's style

[Dynamite Kid]

Castillo didn't have longevity at 135? Strange. Johnston wasn't elite at 135? I'm not sure where you're going with this. Carlos Maussa? Alrighty.

Im not saying Castillo did NOT have longevity at 135, matter of fact i SAID he was capable of reigning at 135, do you just listen to what you want to listen to or something?


Nate Campbell didn't fight the same Casamayor that Castillo did. More important than who is when, Dynamite. Kostya Tszyu was a largely inactive fighter ripe for the upset. In fact, I picked Hatton to beat him. I'm not here to argue good/great. The idea that a prime Jose Louis Castillo was NOT an A class fighter is ludicrous. Ludicrous.

How so? Campbell arguably beat the younger fresher version and he actually managed to land on Casamayor unlike Castillo who shagged his leg most of the fight trying to get something done.


No its actually ludicrous that you think he was.

[IMDAZED]

Of coarse they are Lol.

Kelly Pavlik is not an elite fighter Lmao, dont give me the BS about Taylor's wins over B Hop either, Hopkins himself was no longer elite when he beat Taylor imo, that is why he lost, if he had any where near close to his prime he would of been able to beat Taylor with ease, Hopkins has elite Boxing skills but what makes him NOT elite anymore is that fact his physical attributes of stamina, reflexes deteriorated a long time ago.

Dynamite, we can go through time and find many fighters who, in their primes, were elite at that weight but are not legends. How about Ricky Hatton?

I prolly prashed that wrong but what im getting at is, he beat Johston who whilst being a top guy in that particularly divison does not = capable of beating the elite, he got lucky against Casamayor imo.

Johnston wasn't just a good fighter, Johnston was considered one of the best fighters in the world. You feel he got lucky against Casamayor, I don't. Either way, it was a close fight between two elite lightweights in their prime.

No not just on his reign at LW no, i know he would plough threw Castillo like wet paper though.

How can you use "resume" throughout your whole argument and then when it fails, use eyesight? Mosley's record at 135 has nothing on Castillo's, bottom line. I guess that makes Castillo a legend. Obviously, I don't think so but you get my point. Based on resume AND eyesight, I believe Castillo was an A-class fighter at 135. I wasn't the only one either. The fact that you brought up his bouts against Ngoudjo and Hatton suggests a lot. Namely, you are unaware of timing and circumstances. Castillo was done by then. But when you go to his prime, his two losses were an epic war against Corrales and to Floyd Mayweather. His wins were over Casamayor, Lazcano, Johnston and Bazan stamped him as a top force at 135. Is he a legend? No. But definitely an elite, A-class fighter at 135 during his peak.

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do you have this fight in good quality?

If you're a Shane fan, you don't want to see it.

[oc9979]

Because i dont think there is much difference between them and when all said and done Hatton actually did beat an elite fighter in Tszyu, he had longevity at 140, he also beat Urango was was a two time tittle holder and beat Collazo for a 147lbs title, Collazo having took Berto to the wire in a fight some people think he won, he beat Paulie who beat Juan Diaz who has wins over Freitas, Katsidis, he beat Castillo himself, albeit arguably past best, beat Carlos Maussa who was a title holder at one point.


As i said Jonhston was a pretty good fighter but not elite.

Those were two excellent


To me it was a below par Mayweather with a bad shoulder who came down to Castillo's level because of the injury, that said he still underperformed and arguably should of lost, i dont put Castillo on no pedestal cause of that though. Castillo was a good LW, not great, no way was he GREAT!, that fight said more about Mayweather's ability to deal with the adversity(injury) in the fight.

Well i dont even think he deserved to beat Casamayor so......

Nate Campbell has a bigger claim to beating Casamayor than Castillo imo.

WoW!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How so? Campbell arguably beat the younger fresher version and he actually managed to land on Casamayor unlike Castillo who shagged his leg most of the fight trying to get something done.


No its actually ludicrous that you think he was.

You're absolutely right and my memory failed me there.

[Ray*]

...................B+ at best imo.

Got lucky against Casamayor imo.

Would you say he is better than Hatton?

WTF? You really want to bring that into the argument? Castillo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hatton IN HIS PRIME... Not the financial shot overweight castillo that we saw in the last 5 years.. The last we saw of a prime castillo was in the first Corrales fight...Hatton? lol

[V.WEBB]

Most overrated LW of all time, would get smoked by Mosley at LW and made to look a fool of against Whitaker.

He got lucky against Casamayor, got chinned against Corrales and has two decisions over Johnston whom whilst a good busy little fighter was certainly not elite, aside from that he reigned for a while whilst not beating many great names.

Ngoudjo, Hatton both owned him to.

Dynamite...are we trolling this morning?

You know good and well that Ngoudjo and Hatton didn't fight the same JLC that Mayweather did twice. Let's be serious. I mean, Hatton AND Ngoudjo fought him POST CHICO I & II. That is a BIG difference.

[Postman prat]

If you're a Shane fan, you don't want to see it.

That bad? Was the fight at all entertaining?

[Dynamite Kid]

Dynamite, we can go through time and find many fighters who, in their primes, were elite at that weight but are not legends. How about Ricky Hatton?



Johnston wasn't just a good fighter, Johnston was considered one of the best fighters in the world. You feel he got lucky against Casamayor, I don't. Either way, it was a close fight between two elite lightweights in their prime.

How can you use "resume" throughout your whole argument and then when it fails, use eyesight? Mosley's record at 135 has nothing on Castillo's, bottom line. I guess that makes Castillo a legend. Obviously, I don't think so but you get my point. Based on resume AND eyesight, I believe Castillo was an A-class fighter at 135. I wasn't the only one either. The fact that you brought up his bouts against Ngoudjo and Hatton suggests a lot. Namely, you are unaware of timing and circumstances. Castillo was done by then. But when you go to his prime, his two losses were an epic war against Corrales and to Floyd Mayweather. His wins were over Casamayor, Lazcano, Johnston and Bazan stamped him as a top force at 135. Is he a legend? No. But definitely an elite, A-class fighter at 135 during his peak.

No we cant because elite fighters invariably always become legends they attain that status of elite! by distinguish themselves on a higher level to many of the other fighters, however that include being able to beat elite fighters themselves.

Johnston was rated highly then!!! but like Jeff Lacy its what you found out about the fighter later in their career as to how good they were imo, not that im saying Johnston was on Lacy's level because he clearly wasn't, he was obviously better.


Im not saying Shane was great because of what he did at LW, i think Mosley is a legend because of his whole career, i bring up Mosley at LW because despite not having a particularly strong resume at the weight i think he would still run through Castillo in a head 2 head and so do you must probably, the reason for that is because Mosley is on another level being that he was an elite fighter and Castillo was not.

Im aware he was past his best but they still happened......

Is he a legend? No. But definitely an elite, A-class fighter at 135 during his peak.

He is not a legend but he is elite? Lol. I wil refer you to what i said early in this post............"elite fighters invariably always become legends they attain status of elite! by distinguish themselves on a higher level to many of the other fighters"

[Dynamite Kid]

WTF? You really want to bring that into the argument? Castillo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hatton IN HIS PRIME... Not the financial shot overweight castillo that we saw in the last 5 years.. The last we saw of a prime castillo was in the first Corrales fight...Hatton? lol

No i dont need to bring that into, i just brought that up as it happened.

I was not using that as a barometer as to why i think Hatton is comparable, i just think there is not much difference between them, i always thought Hatton was a B/B+ kinda a fighter and that is pretty much how i see Castillo to.