Is "The Heavyweight Division is Dead" a myth?

[CarlosG815]

K2 brothers could have beaten Tyson IMO

You have destroyed your credibility outside of the Pinoy Lounge.

Why do you bring up HW boxing if you know nothing about it? You haven't supported anything you said. I will check back on this thread later to see if you say something worth reading.

In the meantime, I will describe to you how Tyson would beat both K brothers, as it's clear to me that you have not watched any footage of Tyson, and even less on the K brothers.

Tyson is arguably the fastest most athletic Heavyweight in the history of boxing. His natural god given physique, his tremendous level of skill, his evasiveness, his ability to bob and weave to avoid getting hit, his low center of gravity, his ridiculous punching power and his ability to throw relentless combination's with such insane speed would make either Klitschko wish he'd stay home.

You are confusing prime Tyson with modern day Tyson. The Tyson you see fighting Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams, and Kevin McBride is a man that was used by those around him. Watching those fights makes me sad to see a guy that was so great just being used up when he has nothing left in him.

The Tyson I remember is Kid Dynamite of the 80's. The most spectacular awesome fighter the world has ever seen - KO'n fools left and right. Don't blink or you might miss the fight son.

The Klitchko's keep their fighters at bay with the jab. Mike was low to the ground and had incredible head movement. The lack of speed behind a K jab is going to make it hard to hit Mike. Once Mike get's inside, he's going to light you up and **** your world upside down.

I honestly believe a prime Mike Tyson would send either K brother home early.

Before you call me a dumbass and send red K, I'm curious to hear how you think a fight would go down between the two.

[cupocity303]

But its not dead.......

It's not dead....it's more like on life-support in terms of the "entertainment" factor that Carlos mentioned two posts ago.

If somebody wants to **** on The Klitschko's and say they're not good as a reason why the heavyweight division is bad, then it's not valid and can be argued. Because most great heavies of the past were 6foot 190-200 guys and the Klitschko's could dominate them like they were Eddie Chambers.

But if someone simply states that The Klitschko's fighting style is boring, and they lack the personality to make up for it.....as in talking trash. THen they're right.

Everybody knows that boxing can sometimes be like the WWE, where the least talanted wrestler is the most popular and entertaining due to his gimmick and microphone skills. The Klitschko's don't care about this and treat the sport of boxing (which it is, A sport) like Tennis......except it's not like Tennis.

Tennis is self-promoted, tickets are sold based on the magnitude of the tournament (I.E. Wimbeldon) and all the players are required to do is simply show up and play, and shake hands afterwards. That's not how boxing works. In boxing (and America in particular) you've got have an eye for the Promoting aspect of the game, you can't just show up and be nice.

[cupocity303]

You have destroyed your credibility outside of the Pinoy Lounge.

Why do you bring up HW boxing if you know nothing about it? You haven't supported anything you said. I will check back on this thread later to see if you say something worth reading.

In the meantime, I will describe to you how Tyson would beat both K brothers, as it's clear to me that you have not watched any footage of Tyson, and even less on the K brothers.

Tyson is arguably the fastest most athletic Heavyweight in the history of boxing. His natural god given physique, his tremendous level of skill, his evasiveness, his ability to bob and weave to avoid getting hit, his low center of gravity, his ridiculous punching power and his ability to throw relentless combination's with such insane speed would make either Klitschko wish he'd stay home.

You are confusing prime Tyson with modern day Tyson. The Tyson you see fighting Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams, and Kevin McBride is a man that was used by those around him. Watching those fights makes me sad to see a guy that was so great just being used up when he has nothing left in him.

The Tyson I remember is Kid Dynamite of the 80's. The most spectacular awesome fighter the world has ever seen - KO'n fools left and right. Don't blink or you might miss the fight son.

The Klitchko's keep their fighters at bay with the jab. Mike was low to the ground and had incredible head movement. The lack of speed behind a K jab is going to make it hard to hit Mike. Once Mike get's inside, he's going to light you up and **** your world upside down.

I honestly believe a prime Mike Tyson would send either K brother home early.

Before you call me a dumbass and send red K, I'm curious to hear how you think a fight would go down between the two.

All that may be true and sounds good but to be honest, from this posters point of view, you Tyson fans are seriously overrating him.

I.E. (The Kid Dynamite from the 80's Ko'ing fools) yes beating up B-level guys. He had a busy schedule when he turned pro, but he was fighting journeymen to mid-level bums. Then when you start talking about his best wins, you're talking about a inactive, older out of shape Holmes, Michael Spinks, a 6'3, 218lb former Light-heavyweight....and that's his best win.

He never in his prime faced a 260, 6'7....well conditioned, talanted guy so it's not out of question that even a Prime 80's Tyson gets Buster Douglas'ed even then by a Klitschko.

[Boxin']

I dont see how the heavyweight division is "DEAD"


Vitali Klitschko - Going down as an ATG
Wladimir Klitschko - Another ATG
David Haye - Could de-thone the Brothers
Alexander Povetkin - Hasnt got his shot yet. Skilled fighter
Nikolai Valuev - The dude is huge and SOME people like to watch him
Ruslan Chagaev
Tomasz Adamek
Chris Arreola
David Tua

Now we have 9 great boxers in this division and this division is dead? There may not be no superstar like pac or may but hell I see nothing wrong with this. Its all about publicity, There simply isnt enough publicity for this division.

Now throw "THE NEXT MIKE TYSON" if there is one soon and this division is all of a sudden HUUGGGE!!!!



Personally I think this division is just fine

Did you just call Valuev great? lol

[Boxin']

You have destroyed your credibility outside of the Pinoy Lounge.

Why do you bring up HW boxing if you know nothing about it? You haven't supported anything you said. I will check back on this thread later to see if you say something worth reading.

In the meantime, I will describe to you how Tyson would beat both K brothers, as it's clear to me that you have not watched any footage of Tyson, and even less on the K brothers.

Tyson is arguably the fastest most athletic Heavyweight in the history of boxing. His natural god given physique, his tremendous level of skill, his evasiveness, his ability to bob and weave to avoid getting hit, his low center of gravity, his ridiculous punching power and his ability to throw relentless combination's with such insane speed would make either Klitschko wish he'd stay home.

You are confusing prime Tyson with modern day Tyson. The Tyson you see fighting Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams, and Kevin McBride is a man that was used by those around him. Watching those fights makes me sad to see a guy that was so great just being used up when he has nothing left in him.

The Tyson I remember is Kid Dynamite of the 80's. The most spectacular awesome fighter the world has ever seen - KO'n fools left and right. Don't blink or you might miss the fight son.

The Klitchko's keep their fighters at bay with the jab. Mike was low to the ground and had incredible head movement. The lack of speed behind a K jab is going to make it hard to hit Mike. Once Mike get's inside, he's going to light you up and **** your world upside down.

I honestly believe a prime Mike Tyson would send either K brother home early.

Before you call me a dumbass and send red K, I'm curious to hear how you think a fight would go down between the two.

This guy isn't biased at all ^^^^

[CarlosG815]

All that may be true and sounds good but to be honest, from this posters point of view, you Tyson fans are seriously overrating him.

I.E. (The Kid Dynamite from the 80's Ko'ing fools) yes beating up B-level guys. He had a busy schedule when he turned pro, but he was fighting journeymen to mid-level bums. Then when you start talking about his best wins, you're talking about a inactive, older out of shape Holmes, Michael Spinks, a 6'3, 218lb former Light-heavyweight....and that's his best win.

He never in his prime faced a 260, 6'7....well conditioned, talanted guy so it's not out of question that even a Prime 80's Tyson gets Buster Douglas'ed even then by a Klitschko.

He cut through the division at the time, which is better than, or equal to the division today, and he did it very convincingly. There were many highly touted skilled prospects that had great amateur careers, such as Marvis Frazier and the talented Tyrell Biggs. If there were no Tyson, Biggs probably would have gone on to have a good career, had Tyson not destroyed it.

Pinklon Thomas and Larry Holmes while they weren't exactly prime, were still top contenders and were very capable of beating most if not all contenders in the division at the time.

Razor Ruddock, James Tillis, Carl Williams, Tony Tucker, and Frank Bruno were all good fighters and top contenders at the time.

He never ducked anybody and made fighters that could have been great look very bad.

With the footage we have on film it's very easy to see how skilled he was and you can't argue that he'd have been a phenom in any division at any time period.

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, but I do believe he has a solid chance against any fighter in the history of boxing.

But back to topic, he brought up Tyson getting beat by either Klitschko, so let's stay on that. I think he wins those fights.

I'm not really bias, I just call it like I see it. I am a fan of his, but I'm a fan for what he did and I never make excuses for him or glorify him just because he's my favorite fighter.

[Boxin']

He cut through the division at the time, which is better than, or equal to the division today, and he did it very convincingly. There were many highly touted skilled prospects that had great amateur careers, such as Marvis Frazier and the talented Tyrell Biggs. If there were no Tyson, Biggs probably would have gone on to have a good career, had Tyson not destroyed it.

Pinklon Thomas and Larry Holmes while they weren't exactly prime, were still top contenders and were very capable of beating most if not all contenders in the division at the time.

Razor Ruddock, James Tillis, Carl Williams, Tony Tucker, and Frank Bruno were all good fighters and top contenders at the time.

He never ducked anybody and made fighters that could have been great look very bad.

With the footage we have on film it's very easy to see how skilled he was and you can't argue that he'd have been a phenom in any division at any time period.

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, but I do believe he has a solid chance against any fighter in the history of boxing.

But back to topic, he brought up Tyson getting beat by either Klitschko, so let's stay on that. I think he wins those fights.

I'm not really bias, I just call it like I see it. I am a fan of his, but I'm a fan for what he did and I never make excuses for him or glorify him just because he's my favorite fighter.

Didn't Tyson duck Lewis?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yanks are not excelling in it, of course its a **** division.

[cupocity303]

He cut through the division at the time, which is better than, or equal to the division today, and he did it very convincingly. There were many highly touted skilled prospects that had great amateur careers, such as Marvis Frazier and the talented Tyrell Biggs. If there were no Tyson, Biggs probably would have gone on to have a good career, had Tyson not destroyed it.

Pinklon Thomas and Larry Holmes while they weren't exactly prime, were still top contenders and were very capable of beating most if not all contenders in the division at the time.

Razor Ruddock, James Tillis, Carl Williams, Tony Tucker, and Frank Bruno were all good fighters and top contenders at the time.

He never ducked anybody and made fighters that could have been great look very bad.

With the footage we have on film it's very easy to see how skilled he was and you can't argue that he'd have been a phenom in any division at any time period.

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time, but I do believe he has a solid chance against any fighter in the history of boxing.

But back to topic, he brought up Tyson getting beat by either Klitschko, so let's stay on that. I think he wins those fights.

I'm not really bias, I just call it like I see it. I am a fan of his, but I'm a fan for what he did and I never make excuses for him or glorify him just because he's my favorite fighter.

Back to my main point that probably got lost in between my long post, did Tyson ever face anything that even closely resembles a 6'7, 260lb guy with one of the biggest wingspans in history???

[CarlosG815]

Back to my main point that probably got lost in between my long post, did Tyson ever face anything that even closely resembles a 6'7, 260lb guy with one of the biggest wingspans in history???

In his prime I can't think of anybody that big, but IMO, I don't see that as the deal breaker advantage that's going to give Klitschko the nod from me.

For the record, I don't see the Spinks fight as part of Tyson's claim to fame. Spinks really had no legit chance against him, but it was the fight that everybody wanted to see. At the time it was being talked about as if Tyson was ducking him.

Tyson had zero respect for Spinks and it showed in the 90 second destruction of his face. The great Michael Spinks was a great light HW and a good HW, but he had no business in the ring with Mike and I would never hold that lost against him.