Oscar De LeHoya: What has he ever done to warrant ATG status?

[Mr. Fantastic]

That's a good question because I don't remember Chavez being a big favorite. If you're talking about betting that means nothing really.

Not only the betting side but a lot of the media, fans.

[IMDAZED]

I already post it. Read back.

No you didn't. What did Vargas do after Tito?

[Mr. Fantastic]

I don't think anyone considers that a "big" victory but try to stick to the topic.

Sorry but I'm just trying to expose people's double standards. And yes it is considered a "big" victory.

[Mr. Fantastic]

No you didn't. What did Vargas do after Tito?

Ummm became a WORLD CHAMPION again. Beat Castillejo who later when on to become a world champion again.

[IMDAZED]

Sorry but I'm just trying to expose people's double standards. And yes it is considered a "big" victory.

Maybe to casual fans. But you're on a boxing message board - be serious.

Anyway, Vargas was ruined. Ruined. By Tito. Stop it.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Maybe to casual fans. But you're on a boxing message board - be serious.

Anyway, Vargas was ruined. Ruined. By Tito. Stop it.

Do you think Taylor was ruined by Chavez in the first fight??

[IMDAZED]

Ummm became a WORLD CHAMPION again. Beat Castillejo who later when on to become a world champion again.

Castillejo is barely average. This is the best you got? Come harder.

[Calilloyd]

Not only the betting side but a lot of the media, fans.

I think a lot of people were thinking with their hearts. I wanted Chavez to win but I knew better. It's simliar to what I've read about Ali-Holmes. A lot of people actually thought Ali was going to win that fight and I think the odds were very close..

[IMDAZED]

Do you think Taylor was ruined by Chavez in the first fight??

Both weren't the same but ruined? No. Not Vargas-Tito ruined.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Castillejo is barely average. This is the best you got? Come harder.

Average?? Dude was champion for a while at 154. I'm not saying he was great but not just anybody beat him.