Benn: "Jones dodged me", Eubank: "Roy avoided my calls", Collins: "Roy ran scared!",

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I'm not saying it's not your sport, I'm saying it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Mexico didn't put out the greatest boxers, all around, either. Undoubtedly they have some in the top ten, but how can you argue with Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, Tyson (he was great in his prime, no doubt about it), Holyfield (sucks now, though), Jones Jr. (even if he DID dodge fighters), Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American), Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather Jr., Joe Louis... the list goes on and on with all the great fighters we've had.

I was joking man... It's not OUR sport... We invented it, but we also invented football and tennis and cricket, and pretty much every sport!

We don't own them... That would be crazy! ... LOL!...

"Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American)" - Funny you say that after you kept winding me up about Lennox being Canadian/Jamacian - When he is English!

I've never said that American fighters are ****... I think some of the best fighters ever have come from American shores.

But... The guy's that have come out of Mexico over the years have been the greatest fighters by far, (In my opinion).

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.

Some of these little Mexicans have fought and done things in their career that guys like Hopkins/Jones could only dream of. EVERY fight they had was against the best in the WORLD!... There was no warm up fights or 20 defences against the same 7 guys... They had to do it the HARD way.

And they're what make me follow the sport of boxing.

[BadMagick]

By 1995 Benn had made 10 defences of his WBC title. Benn hadn't lost for 5 years (since he lost his World Middleweight title to Eubank in 1990) and he was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr who was the #1 lb4lb fighter in the world. Benn defeated McClellan in 1995 who was the #2 lb4lb fighter in the world at the time (McClellan defeated Jones Jr at the 1988 Golden Gloves and was number one at Middleweight ahead of Jones Jr in 1993 and 1994). Jones Jr didn't fight Benn. No excuses.

Eubank was rated #3 at 168 in 1995 (behind Jones Jr and Benn) until he lost to Collins. Collins was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr in 1996. Jones Jr didn't fight Eubank or Collins either. He chose to fight Bryd, Thornton and Lucas instead and none of them were even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time of fighting Jones Jr. I rest my case.

Yes, at the beginning of 95 that was so. By the end of 95 Nigel was done. He was a shot fighter. Bringing '96 into the picture, as you did above, is irrelevant, because Benn was shot.

Eubank has been explained, and explained, and explained, yet you fail to accept it.

The amateurs have NOTHING to do with pro boxing.

[paul750]

I'm not saying it's not your sport, I'm saying it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Mexico didn't put out the greatest boxers, all around, either. Undoubtedly they have some in the top ten, but how can you argue with Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, Tyson (he was great in his prime, no doubt about it), Holyfield (sucks now, though), Jones Jr. (even if he DID dodge fighters), Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American), Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather Jr., Joe Louis... the list goes on and on with all the great fighters we've had.

you are just cherry picking the best fighters ever from America, those guys you mention are legends there's no doubt about that, but just because america has produced those great figters, dosn't mean they are top in terms overall success in terms of the population, britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

[BadMagick]

I was joking man... It's not OUR sport... We invented it, but we also invented football and tennis and cricket, and pretty much every sport!

We don't own them... That would be crazy! ... LOL!...

"Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American)" - Funny you say that after you kept winding me up about Lennox being Canadian/Jamacian - When he is English!

I've never said that American fighters are ****... I think some of the best fighters ever have come from American shores.

But... The guy's that have come out of Mexico over the years have been the greatest fighters by far, (In my opinion).

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.

Some of these little Mexicans have fought and done things in their career that guys like Hopkins/Jones could only dream of. EVERY fight they had was against the best in the WORLD!... There was no warm up fights or 20 defences against the same 7 guys... They had to do it the HARD way.

And they're what make me follow the sport of boxing.

Soccer... we invented football.

Anyhow, De la Hoya was born in America, and has lived in America his whole life. I had heard Lennox had not, perhaps I was wrong.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the best fighters. I'm not just talking current times, though, I'm talking throughout the span of the sport. I don't think anyone can make a reasonable list to combat the greatest American fighters with only fighters from one other country. Granted, the USA is pretty big, so we do have a bit of an advantage there, but still. There's simply no way that I see one country's best against the USA's best (all time) and winning against us.

We also seem to have different opinions on what should go on inside the ring. While I applaud guys like Morales, for pulling some crazy thing in the 12th to make for an exciting fight, and I applaud Gatti and Ward for fighting 10 rounds throwing purely power shots, and both having the heart to continue, I'd rather watch two technically skilled fighters BOX each other. If I wanted to watch a slugfest, I wouldn't be watching BOXING.

you are just cherry picking the best fighters ever from America, those guys you mention are legends there's no doubt about that, but just because america has produced those great figters, dosn't mean they are top in terms overall success in terms of the population, britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

Once again, I'm not talking in terms of per capita. You're probably right, there, even though I'm not TOO familiar with British boxing, and only know the biggest names. Benn, Lewis, Hatton (only because of what's going on now, really), Cal***gie, etc. Also, of course I'm talking about our greatest fighters ever. It's not my fault they are all legends of the ring. The thing is, WE HAVE ALL THE LEGENDS... most of them, anyhow. That's my point, America has produced the MOST amount of GREAT fighters anywhere in the world. I'm not talking per capita, either.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

They had to do it the HARD way.

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.

[BadMagick]

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.

I don't think he's denying that Hopkins and Jones are great fighters, you'd have to be an idiot to do that.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

No they are not and yes there is until proven otherwise. Back up your yap with something undeniable (aside from your CLAIM that it is undeniable).

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

I don't think he's denying that Hopkins and Jones are great fighters, you'd have to be an idiot to do that.

I don't think so. He's said time and time again that "I reckon Hopkis ain't all that great".

Ask him yourself.

[BadMagick]

No they are not and yes there is until proven otherwise. Back up your yap with something undeniable (aside from your CLAIM that it is undeniable).

Per capita, they might be. I don't know of many great Brits, though.

Could someone name the greatest British fighters, please?

I don't think so. He's said time and time again that "I reckon Hopkis ain't all that great".

Ask him yourself.

Maybe he's not all that bright then. I don't think it's possible to deny that Hopkins is one of the most technically skilled fighters of this era, and perhaps ever.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.

Yeah, But you conviently left this part out... Which to me is probably the most important part!

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.