Benn: "Jones dodged me", Eubank: "Roy avoided my calls", Collins: "Roy ran scared!",

Yeah, I wasn't including you in that, Martin, you have the ability to talk sense. I don't even mind it going off topic... it's just when you've got people who say the same **** that's not based on anything in the actual thread it's annoying. Like when I've backed up a couple of UK fighters on a couple of occasions and you get someone saying "Yo, you back brit fighters cos your a brit" and it's like "No I don't, **** off. Twat."

If that's a true Roy quote then he's a fanny, simple as. I love RJJ but the way he's never justified his talent in the ring bothers me. Look at the first fight with old whatsiface (it's 1am)... that guy he wouldn't go near for several rounds, then KOed when he was down. What a *****wagon.

And an RJJ fan says: "yo *** you, hater, RJJ KHTFO in the first round on the rematch." So what? He *****wagonned it the first time round.


And another thing (it's rant time!!!) why is it you can never have a sensible conversation about RJJ (it's true of other boxers, but I've noticed this more about Roy than any other...) without being labelled a "nut hugger" or "hater"? Why can't you be a "someone who wants to discuss the pros and cons objectively in an adult manner"?


Okay, rant over...

[JUYJUY]

Jones would have beaten the **** out of every guy named here. Eubank was nothing special, maybe in the UK but not in the U.S. All of these fighters were cowards, Jones had all the titles and none of them would fight him on U.S. soil. How does the challenger tell the champion where and when to defend his titles? Juy has been spamming these boards for months with this bull**** Eubank campaign, I'm starting to think its really Eubank posting this crap. Who has Eubank beaten? Benn>? Benn couldnt even beat Malinga who Jones knocked out in 6 rounds!!!

Have you actually ever watched Benn and Eubank fight? No.

Jones Jr had all the titles?? BULL****. Jones Jr had no titles at all when he was offered a chance to fight the WBC champion Benn in 1993, he turned it down. Jones Jr only ever held the IBF title at 160 and 168, no other titles he held at all. The longest-reigning World Champions at 168 were Benn and Eubank NOT Jones Jr.

Benn beat Malinga's ass in 1992. Any top 20 fighter would of beaten Benn the night he lost his title to Malinga in 1996, Benn was FINISHED in Feb 1995 after the McClellan fight, he had a shadow on the brain after that fight and was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan.

[Super Cruiserweight]

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OWNED!

[Super Cruiserweight]

RJJ way things should have been

This is what you call a sensible nd mature way to put this to rest as well as being realistic-

Roy Jones Jr...The Way Things Should Have Been.

By Thomas Gerbasi

1994

Mar 22 Danny Garcia Pensacola, FL KO 6

May 27 Thomas Tate Las Vegas TKO 2 (Retains IBF Middleweight Title)

Aug Abandons Middlewight Title

Nov 18 James Toney Las Vegas W 12 (Wins IBF Super Middleweight Title)

1995

Mar 18 Antoine Byrd Pensacola, FL TKO 1 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Jun 24 Vinny Pazienza Atlantic City TKO 6 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Sep 30 Tony Thornton Pensacola, FL TKO 3 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Between 1994 and 1995, Roy Jones Jr. had six fights (listed above). Thomas Tate and Vinny Pazienza are passable as contenders, and Garcia, Byrd, and Thornton were no hopers against the skills of Jones. The big name which stands out among the above six is James Toney, who at the time of their matchup was considered to be one of the best in the world, pound for pound; a distinction now held by Mr. Jones. In their November 18, 1995 matchup, Jones dominated Toney completely, winning an easy 12 round decision. Since then, the names on Jones' ledger have ranged from the obscure to the ridiculous, with a moderately well known name sprinkled in here and there. Thus, those who debate about such things rate Jones not as one of the greatest to ever lace up the gloves, but one of the biggest talent squanderers to step into the ring.

But let's suppose Jones chose five opponents in 94-95 other than Garcia, Tate, Byrd, Pazienza, and Thornton. For instance let's put Roy in the ring with Steve Collins, Gerald McClellan, Frankie Liles, Chris Eubank, and Nigel Benn. Odds are very strong that the naysayers would be pointing to Jones as an all-time great, and not as a reluctant warrior.

Jones vs. Steve Collins - WBO/IBF Middleweight Title - London, England

Wembley Arena is packed to the gills for this title bout, and the local boy Collins didn't disappoint in the first round, surprising Jones with some deft defensive moves and quick counterpunching. Jones quickly caught on to Collins' scheme though, and proceeded to issue a steady beating to the Irishman in rounds two through four. One judge even scored a 10-8 round for Jones in the fourth.

Collins would not go quietly though, and a steady body attack was starting to affect the American. Rounds eight and nine featured Collins' finest work as he caught Jones on the ropes and pounded him about the arms and body. The tenth and eleventh rounds were tepid affairs, as the two tired warriors circled each other, with only sporadic jabs by Jones winning him the rounds. A second wind was had by both men in the final frame, and the two traded blows until the final gong.

Jones' early lead and late finish made the decision academic: 114-113, 116-112, 116-111 for Roy Jones Jr.

Jones vs. Gerald McClellan - WBO/IBF/WBC Middleweight Title - Las Vegas, Nevada

One of the most anticipated bouts in recent history got off to a slow start, as both men spent the first round feeling each other out. Jones stepped on the gas in the second round, wobbling McClellan with a left hook , and cutting him over the right eye. All three judges scored the second 10-8, and what was expected to be a classic was looking more like a blowout. McClellan crawled back into the fray in rounds three and four, and with the esception of the second round, the fight was shaping up as a chess match. In the seventh round, both men finally went toe to toe, and all sorts of heavy artillery was piercing the outdoor air at Caesar's Palace. The G-Man kept the heat on, and knowing that he was trailing on the scorecards, launched an all out assault in round nine. A well placed left hook to the liver sent Jones to the canvas for the first time in his career. He climbed up at 6 and the bell intervened. With Jones in his sights, McClellan looked to finish things in the tenth. But a left hook to the jaw sent the G-Man sprawling into the ropes. He staggered forward on rubbery legs, and referee Richard Steele didn't allow McClellan to take another punch. Jones wins by 10th Round TKO.

Jones vs. Frankie Liles - IBF/WBA Super Middleweight Title -Pensacola, Florida

After successive victories over Collins, McClellan, and Toney, Frankie Liles looked to be a night off for the multi-talented Jones. No one told Liles. Frankie jumped on Jones at the opening bell, raking his body with lefts and rights, and killing any sort of rhythm Jones wanted to establish. Liles' mugging of Jones continued for three rounds, and the pro-Jones crowd was worried. But have no fear, Pensacola residents, Jones came roaring back in rounds four and five, and Roy's dazzling hand speed and power produced a knockdown of Liles in the sixth stanza. Liles rose at 7, but was dazed. A big left hook to the ribs doubled Liles over, but he remained standing. The bell halted Jones from continuing his assault, but it looked like the end was near. Once again, someone forgot to inform Liles. Gamely refusing to give ground, Liles battled with Jones, outgunned but not outgutted. When the final bell rang, the Pensacola crowd roared not only for the hometown hero, but for the gutty Liles. The decision...115-112, 116-111, 115-112 for..Roy Jones Jr.

Jones vs. Chris Eubank - WBO/WBA/IBF Super Middleweight Title - London, England

The English press warned the world that this fight would either be great or lousy, with no middle ground. They were right. Eubank preened and posed throughout the twelve rounds, fighting sporadically. Jones wasn't much better, content to dance and dazzle with his footwork, and doing just enough to win rounds. The English crowd was not impressed, and a chant quickly came up from the rafters "Benn, Benn, Benn, Benn". After Jones' unanimous decision win was announced (117-113, 118-113, 116-113), the UK would get its wish.

Jones vs. Nigel Benn - Undisputed Super Middleweight Title -London, England

Jones was now an International star, sellling out Wembley Stadium along with local product Nigel Benn. This one was not to be forgotten. Benn had done a lot of trash talking before the fight, and Jones looked to make him pay early and often. A Left hook staggered Benn in the opening minute, and after a barrage of Jones' best, Nigel walked back to his corner on rubbery legs at the bell. Benn turned the tables in the second, and his wild charges took Jones and the crowd by surprise. This was a fight! Jones had the upper hand again in the third round, but in the fourth, a right cross dropped Jones to the floor. Wembley Stadium erupted, but Jones made it up quickly at the count of four. With the crowd still buzzing, the action slowed in the fifth, but picked up again in the sixth. Benn tagged Jones with a couple of haymakers, but paid for his porous defense when a counter right cross by Jones put Benn face down on the canvas. To the surprise of everyone, "The Dark Destroyer" rose to his feet to resume hostilities. Jones was in complete control now, and Benn was ill equipped to handle Jones' onslaught. He survived the round, but the result was now academic. 2:36 into the seventh round, referee Mills Lane stopped the contest, and Roy Jones had unified the Super Middleweight crown.

What if indeed...

( i love that last line )

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OWNED!

Yeah, cos the thread was ABOUT whether or not Jones would have won, wasn't it? I thought it was about whether he **** his pants all through his career and ducked fights, but I must be wrong.

And can we stop using "owned" as a riposte and thinking it's in someway witty? Like the thread, it's someone else's material just repeated ad infinitum.

[Yarmez]

I really don't like RJJ, but come on lets be honest, i have watched all this guys fight at super middleweight and middleweight and the was good, he was very good, don't get me wrong i watched alot of Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank as well, but those guys were not quite in jones's league he would have beaten them.

maybe not easily but he would have Won none the less.
I would say he beats benn TKO10
and Beats Eubank 12UD

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Have you actually ever watched Benn and Eubank fight? No.

Jones Jr had all the titles?? BULL****. Jones Jr had no titles at all when he was offered a chance to fight the WBC champion Benn in 1993, he turned it down. Jones Jr only ever held the IBF title at 160 and 168, no other titles he held at all. The longest-reigning World Champions at 168 were Benn and Eubank NOT Jones Jr.

Benn beat Malinga's ass in 1992. Any top 20 fighter would of beaten Benn the night he lost his title to Malinga in 1996, Benn was FINISHED in Feb 1995 after the McClellan fight, he had a shadow on the brain after that fight and was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan.

I've seen plenty of their fights, including against eachother. Stop making the bull**** Malinga excuses because he beat Benn the first time and WAS ROBBED, Malinga had to chase him in order to get the rematch. The same Malinga that almost beat Eubank as well, the same Malinga that the UK press thought should of gotten the decision against both Eubank and Benn. The same Malinga Eubank never wanted to fight again. The same Malinga that ran into Jones the following year and knocked out.

[JUYJUY]

(well Eubank was undoubtedly the most hated man in England so let's just clear that up).

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Malinga knocked down after 4-5 rounds by both Benn and Eubank but somehow managed to get back up (because he was fighting for the World title in those fights). When he fought Jones Jr he got knocked down after 6 rounds and quit, he didn't bother getting back up (because Jones Jr wasn't a World title holder at the time).

[Shaolin Bushido]

The blame for those fights not taking place probably has more to do with what was best for Roy(like every other fighter's decisions) and the mandatory defenses he was obliged to take. If they were so logical and necessary why didn't any of the organizations whose belts Roy had mandate that he meet any of those guys?

I know Michachewski vacated several titles and held on to only his WBO title for some reason. He HAD earned them, no argument there but Roy would have been more daring to go fight him in Germany instead of Mike Tyson anywhere else, if he'd done that. Tell me otherwise! Mich could have come here. He chose not to. And I know, there've been shady decisions in the US too! Still, can anyone argue that Roy FEARED any of those guys and that alone was why HE didn't fight em?

It's most likely a scenario similar to everyone wanting to fight Oscar over the years; he's got the credibility, they want it plus the bucks they'd get ... it's that simple.

I'll agree that he shares some of the "blame" but EVERY fighter with the number of fights Roy had, if scrutinized this way has fights and non-fights to answer for.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Why the **** would anyone want to fight someone who fights as dirty as Nigel Benn?