Benn: "Jones dodged me", Eubank: "Roy avoided my calls", Collins: "Roy ran scared!",

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Well if they're in the same boat surely Eubank should go down as a hall of fame fighter too?...

DAMN I forgot!... Eubank isn't American is he!...

Martin, same old sheit huh? Relax with the nationalistic BS. No one is attacking Eubank. You act as if you miss the point completely. Eubank should go to the HOF. My only point is that it's arrogant and ignorant and ****** to dis Roy for doing exactly what Eubank did to Roy. Roy just responded in kind years later when Eubank was getting older, as Chris wanted one last shot at faded glory and Roy remembered how Eubank had not given him a shot as Roy was trying to make a name for himself.

[30stonegorilla]

I hear what you guys are saying, "Roy Jones Junior would have destroyed this guy, and would have destroyed that guy!" But the problem is, that's just opinion.

This is why Roy Jones Junior's career is kinda frustrating, because we'll never know how good he could have been or whether he would have beaten the guy's above because he refused to fight the best in each division.

Full of prunes on this topic, martin. Roy fought Hopkins and Toney and Hill and Griffin. You saying these guys weren't the best at the time????? He didn't fight your brit guys because there was no MONEY in it for him. Why would he be afraid of your guys and NOT be afraid of the likes of Toney, who by the way, would have whupped Benn's ass, and Eubank's ass, and had problems with Calzhage, because that guy can fight, but beat him, too. Hopkins would have beaten those guys, too. But they wanna sit over there on their rainy, gloomy little island and not come over here and fight the best for big money, let them do it. If they made themselves familar to the American boxing public then that public would have clammored to see them fight against our best guys. But they didn't. So they punk off in magazine interviews about how tough they were and how afraid a great fighter like Jones is of them.

I was never a Roy Jones fan, man, did I cheer when Lou Delvalle dropped him in their fight. But Jones, as unlikeable as he may be, and he's pretty damn unlikeable, could this guy ever fight. Toney thought he was special until the reflexes and power of Jones humbled him in their bout. Every guy thinks he can fight with Jones, but his unorthodox speed is like nothing they have ever experienced. Jones never needed to jab. He was so quick he used his left hook as a jab! He had exploitable weaknesses, even in his buck prime, but none the fighters of this generation had the schooling to exploit. When he started to slip, he needed the jab, to keep folks off, and this is why he was stopped in his last couple of fights because without the jab, and without his once cat quick reflexes, eventually he was going to get caught and clocked.

Jimmy

[JUYJUY]

Full of prunes on this topic, martin. Roy fought Hopkins and Toney and Hill and Griffin. You saying these guys weren't the best at the time????? He didn't fight your brit guys because there was no MONEY in it for him. Why would he be afraid of your guys and NOT be afraid of the likes of Toney, who by the way, would have whupped Benn's ass, and Eubank's ass, and had problems with Calzhage, because that guy can fight, but beat him, too. Hopkins would have beaten those guys, too. But they wanna sit over there on their rainy, gloomy little island and not come over here and fight the best for big money, let them do it. If they made themselves familar to the American boxing public then that public would have clammored to see them fight against our best guys. But they didn't. So they punk off in magazine interviews about how tough they were and how afraid a great fighter like Jones is of them.

Jones Jr could of made far more money fighting Benn or Eubank than he did in any of his other fights. Do you realise how big Benn and Eubank were/are? They were on the TV and in the newspapers kind of like every single day! They were/are celebrities in Britain.

Are you saying that Benn and Eubank never made any money from boxing? Let's see. Benn made well over £10million from boxing alone, which is about $20million, he retired in 1996. Eubank made almost £20million from boxing alone, which is $30-40million, he retired in 1998. Add to that their celebrity appearances and we're looking at more millions.

McClellan was Ring Magazine's number one Middleweight in 1993 and 1994, Roy Jones was number two. So Hopkins wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. Michalczewski had just beat Hill just before Jones Jr beat Hill. So Hill wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. As for Griffin, no comment.

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Martin, same old sheit huh? Relax with the nationalistic BS. No one is attacking Eubank. You act as if you miss the point completely. Eubank should go to the HOF. My only point is that it's arrogant and ignorant and ****** to dis Roy for doing exactly what Eubank did to Roy. Roy just responded in kind years later when Eubank was getting older, as Chris wanted one last shot at faded glory and Roy remembered how Eubank had not given him a shot as Roy was trying to make a name for himself.

Well light_welterweight, it's not just avoiding Eubank that we need to make excuses for... The list goes on and on and on... And all of a SUDDEN! - There's a pattern developing... LOL!...

[JUYJUY]

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)

Agreed, he's a cool guy, seems a nice chap. If he'd of fought the best in his divisions though I'd respect him a lot more

[jabsRstiff]

Can't disagree with that. He would of had McCallum's ticket the night he fought Eubank in the re-match.

LMAO.

When McCallum beat Watson in '90....Mike was already past his prime,
& D-A-M-N, he absolutely slaughtered Watson.
I dare you to find another fight in which one fighter so thoroughly took apart another. I dare you.
Watson had every inch of his body PASTED by McCallum, while his own offense was turned into pathetic swats of desperation.
Then.....McCallum sent watson crashing to the floor....broken completely apart.

Doesn't matter when they COULD have fought....the FACT is that Ol' Mike McCallum took YEARS off the young Watson's boxing career when they DID fight.

If anyone wants to see a clinic, get your hands on McCallum-Watson.

BTW.....Watson was the favorite going in, & the fight was fought in England. Watson had every advantage, except for BOXING ABILITY.

[30stonegorilla]

Jones Jr could of made far more money fighting Benn or Eubank than he did in any of his other fights. Do you realise how big Benn and Eubank were/are? They were on the TV and in the newspapers kind of like every single day! They were/are celebrities in Britain.

Ain't that a little bit like being valedictorian of summer school?

Are you saying that Benn and Eubank never made any money from boxing?

No. You said that. I don't care how much money they made. It was about how much money Roy Jones could make, and he could make more money staying home fighting the guys he did then traipsing off to germany or the UK to fight some pantywaist for chump change.

Let's see. Benn made well over £10million from boxing alone, which is about $20million, he retired in 1996.

Like I posted, it's about what JONES would have made, not what Benn would have made. And it's about 17 mil in US dollars, not 20.

Eubank made almost £20million from boxing alone, which is $30-40million, he retired in 1998. Add to that their celebrity appearances and we're looking at more millions.

So why wasn't he in Vegas fighting the best? Like I posted, these guys wanna hunker down on there rainy, gloomy little island let them do it. Just don't bellyache later about how bad you are and how American fighters "ducked" you.

McClellan was Ring Magazine's number one Middleweight in 1993 and 1994, Roy Jones was number two. So Hopkins wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him.

Who gives a rat's ass what Ring Magazine thinks? Hopkins was better than McClellan every day of the week. And any magazine rating Roy Jones number two in them days has got it wrong. Lots of fighters get rated at certain slots for a variety of reasons that have little to do with how they would actually fair against the opponents rated higher than them in the ring. At one time Marvis Frazier was rated above Mike Tyson, for example.

Michalczewski had just beat Hill just before Jones Jr beat Hill. So Hill wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. As for Griffin, no comment.

Griffin is as good as ANY middle to come out of your country since the 1920's. What possible basis could you have for dissing him? Because he can't fight now? I never said Hill was the absolute best but one of the best available contenders at the time. If I say it always rains in Norway I don't mean it rains every single second of every single day.

It's nice that the Brits like boxing, and a few can even fight, but them accusing american fighters of ducking them is like the Chihauhau barking behind a big fence at the Great Dane passing by.

[30stonegorilla]

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)

I don't follow you, Anorak. You think Jones is cool. Lots of people don't. You asked why he is unlikable but I don't think you really want an answer. You like him. I don't. Everything's cool. To each his own.

But since you asked, i don't like him because he postures himself like he's this super special person doing boxing a favor by even fighting, like he could have been a movie star or a rocket scientist no problem if he wasn't a fighter. Big laugh, that.

He tries to act intelligent and polished and sophisticated and he's just an uneducated pug from Pensacola. That would be fine, if he didn't walk the dog and try to pretend he's way above that. Ali's ego was cool, Roy's just makes him a punk.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

That's "their", not "there".

No, I can call it running. What school have you ever been to where the teacher's writing on the blackboard then suddenly starts legging it around the classroom?

Not sure I understand the Tito quote... are you saying that Tito was the sparring partner of Joppy and Hopkins? Eastman has never fought Tito.

As for Howard and Joppy, Howard was lazy in the first half but KDed Joppy and clearly showed he could master him. The final scores were 115-112/114-112 Joppy and a draw. Hardly a "schooling" there.

The Tito quote means that Bernard used Tito as a sparring parter who used Joppy as a sparring parter who schooled Eastman.

Hopkins schooled Eastman. The only rounds that Eastman won were the rounds that Nard took off. You don't have to brawl with a guy to win. Boxing is about hitting your opponent and not getting hit. Hopkins landed his right hand at will and held Eastman to a connect percentage of just 16%.