Benn: "Jones dodged me", Eubank: "Roy avoided my calls", Collins: "Roy ran scared!",

[BadMagick]

World Champions travel the world. Ali did, Lewis did, Benn did, Tyson did, Tsyzu does, etc. RJJ doesn't want to travel because of judges? Bull****. Here's an idea, maybe he should try and win a fight by knock out? And funny how now he can't draw files with 2 handfulls of **** in the states that he wants to fight Clinton Woods in England (a guy he beat before mind you). Calzaghe put a $6 million offer to RJJ and a $4million one to Bernard Hopkins. If you think you are the top dog then you are a fool to turn that kind of money down. Or maybe just chicken.

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.

[SacTown1]

World Champions travel the world. Ali did, Lewis did, Benn did, Tyson did, Tsyzu does, etc. RJJ doesn't want to travel because of judges? Bull****. Here's an idea, maybe he should try and win a fight by knock out? And funny how now he can't draw files with 2 handfulls of **** in the states that he wants to fight Clinton Woods in England (a guy he beat before mind you). Calzaghe put a $6 million offer to RJJ and a $4million one to Bernard Hopkins. If you think you are the top dog then you are a fool to turn that kind of money down. Or maybe just chicken.

Roy & Nard didn't turn Calzone down, they turned down his ridiculously corrupt promoter Frank The Skank Warren, if Calzone was a free agent Roy would have fought him years ago....plus those challenges or "offers" were in British tabloids, not on actual fight contracts, boxing shouldn't get confused with ****e Girl and Royal Family nonsense

[BadMagick]

Roy & Nard didn't turn Calzone down, they turned down his ridiculously corrupt promoter Frank The Skank Warren, if Calzone was a free agent Roy would have fought him years ago....plus those challenges or "offers" were in British tabloids, not on actual fight contracts, boxing shouldn't get confused with ****e Girl and Royal Family nonsense

Calzaghe, not Calzone, man..

Either way, Calzaghe should have met Roy's standards, not the other way around. Roy was the more established fighter, and was in the higher weight class. Why should he have to move down to take ONE belt from a guy, when he had all of them a weight class above him?

[JUYJUY]

I'm gonna play both sides of this lousy cassette:

Roy ducked Eubank, and Eubank ducked Roy

Roy, understandably so, never wanted to travel overseas to fight in another country after the Olympic robbery, so fights with Collins/Eubank/Darius/Benn/Maske were all out of the question (did everyone forget about my boy Henry Maske? Yeah Roy coulda fought him too)....can't blame Roy for feeling this way....

on the flip side, all of the above mentioned Euro fighters were unwilling to come to Pensacola to fight in Roy's backyard (once again, understandably so)....

so it was a lose-lose situation all around, no debate is really necessary on this topic, everybody avoided everybody

That is absolute Bull****. Benn, Eubank and Collins clearly said time and time again that they wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr in Pensacola.

In 1995 and 1996, all three of them stated many times that they were willing to fight Jones Jr in his backyard and were chasing him. Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them, you cannot deny that. Steve Collins even travelled to Pensacola and called Jones Jr a coward in front of the whole of America. Eubank rang up HBO and told them that he'd publicly bet a million dollars on scoring a KO1 on Jones Jr in his backyard. Benn clearly said on Sky Sports after his Nardiello fight that he'd "love" to travel to Jones Jr's backyard to fight him and that Jones Jr would "put the fear of Christ in me in his backyard, which would be bad news for him!".

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.

You're very wrong there... Calzaghe's offer was to fight in Las Vegas at 175lbs. Calzaghe is moving to 175lbs anyway, coz' he's struggling to make 168lbs

[JUYJUY]

"I didn't dodge anybody. I fought all of my mandatory contenders and how many others can say that? I'm superior (to Roy Jones) in some senses, because Roy Jones has never fought overseas in his entire career, whereas I fought overseas 14 times. I defended my World title all over the world and how many others can say that?" - Chris Eubank

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.

And secondly, this $6,000,000 offer to Roy was made back in 2000' long before Roy Jones ever went up to heavyweight.

Weight is no excuse in why Roy ducted Joe, because it was Joe that was going to go up in weight to meet Roy Jones.

[SacTown1]

That is absolute Bull****. Benn, Eubank and Collins clearly said time and time again that they wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr in Pensacola.

In 1995 and 1996, all three of them stated many times that they were willing to fight Jones Jr in his backyard and were chasing him. Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them, you cannot deny that. Steve Collins even travelled to Pensacola and called Jones Jr a coward in front of the whole of America. Eubank rang up HBO and told them that he'd publicly bet a million dollars on scoring a KO1 on Jones Jr in his backyard. Benn clearly said on Sky Sports after his Nardiello fight that he'd "love" to travel to Jones Jr's backyard to fight him and that Jones Jr would "put the fear of Christ in me in his backyard, which would be bad news for him!".

that's all jsut "talk" if those guys really wanted to fight Roy, the gameplan would have been simple:

1. Dump your current belt
2. pay a sanctioning body to rank you
3. fight in an eliminator for the title
4. win the eliminator
5. become #1 contender

that's ALL they would have had to do to fight Roy, but did they do this??? NO!!! All they did was shot-call from 5000 miles away, heck I CAN DO THAT!!! Trash-talk isn't a challenge, signing a contract to fight the best athlete on the planet is a huge challenge, and none of the ********* 90's fighters were willing to do what it took to get the shot at Superman

[SacTown1]

Calzaghe, not Calzone, man..

Either way, Calzaghe should have met Roy's standards, not the other way around. Roy was the more established fighter, and was in the higher weight class. Why should he have to move down to take ONE belt from a guy, when he had all of them a weight class above him?

I know it's Calzaghe, Joey Calzone is his nickname, wake up homey I'm being sarcastic....

and you're right, Roy was the main-man, so those other EuroChumps should have earned a #1 ranking if the REALLY wanted to fight Roy

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

It's funny I've started to notice with this thread... It's the same old story everytime we discuss Roy Jones Junior and his "greatness".

Everyone outside America rallies up and say's, "Why is RJJ so great?" and it's very handy because there are SOOOOO MANY fight ducks, moving up to avoid, moving down to avoid, through Roy's career that it starts to become ammunition... LOL!...

And then on the other side there's the Yanks that will defend RJJ blindly... And then the conversation becomes - excuses, excuses, after more excuses... And so on...

I think what it comes down to is that people outside America don't have an awfull lot of respect for Roy because he was scared to fight outside the comfort zone of the U.S. and in doing that, ducked a lot of fighters.

Whereas the Americans like the idea of having a "GREAT" fighter of their own, (even if it is a little bit of blind love).

I reckon that's about the size of it.