What do you think Ali would do against a klitschko?

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  • Calilloyd
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    #231
    Originally posted by Mikhnienko
    right, the u.s. robbing people at the 84' games is a complete fabrication on my part.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/23/sp...l?pagewanted=1

    Below for a complete summary


    You claiming that others are ignorant is amusing.
    Like I said before, you believing Ali was given a gift decision in the Olympics as well as Roy Jones justifiably being robbed in your eyes is ignorant. That's what is truly amusing. What you posted doesn't change that one bit.

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    • street bully
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      #232
      Originally posted by Mikhnienko
      Knowing you Bully i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you mean at HW for both, yes?
      The best heavyweight era ever, the golden years. His resume is also better in terms of quality of opposition beaten than SRR, even though SRR P4P is rated higher for his level of opposition in a quantitative sense.

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        #233
        I think Max Baer and Joe Louis beat Vitaly. Just like how they did Primo Carnera. Look at Vitaly and Primo style and tell me they didn't fight the same.

        But, anyways back to the question. Ali KO's Wlad, and outboxes Vitaly and maybe even stops him in cuts.

        I think Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson beats both also...

        From reports I read short fighters with great head movement always gave Vitaly hell in the gyms...

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          #234
          Originally posted by Roy O'Bannon
          I know Ali is a national treasure and all but his talents in the ring are overhyped because of his legend.

          He made way too many mistakes and was exposed later in his career for them the same way Roy Jones was.
          Ali was never technically brilliant. The Klitschko's are far better technically and just too damn big for him. They would knock him out with the quickness.
          Later in Ali's career he was still beating fighters like Foreman and Shavers. He was never knocked out. You can't compare that to Roy Jones.

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            #235
            Originally posted by Steelhammer2010
            Either Klitschko beats Ali.
            took wlad 12 rounds to finally put glass chinned natural 185 lb chambers on his ass. Why would he stop an iron chinned prime and cut 210- 215 Ali. Let's not forget Klitschko at his prime weight wasn't 244 either.

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              #236
              Originally posted by Roy O'Bannon
              We'll never know since Cuban's and Russians were not allowed to turn pro back then.

              Ali was a big fish in a small pond.
              Americans called themselves world champs for almost a century, without fighting hardly anyone outside of their country.

              Now that they have worldwide competition, they're calling it garbage.

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                #237
                Originally posted by AKATheMack
                Just so everyone knows NO fighter that either Klitschko has lost to, is comparable to Ali in any way. The fact Wlad lost to a 6'4" 225lb Southpaw with huge power has absolutely no bearing on how a fight with Ali would play out. Same goes for Vitali losing to a 6'5" 250lb Lewis, its just not comparable.
                Vitali didn't lose that fight. The dr. jobbed him.

                vitali wanted to continue and finish the job on Lewis. Who ran scared like a woman into retirement right after that.

                Back on topic though, if the Klitschko's would've been around back then, I guarantee you Ali runs to Vietnam like its paradise.

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                • them_apples
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                  #238
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  I think Max Baer and Joe Louis beat Vitaly. Just like how they did Primo Carnera. Look at Vitaly and Primo style and tell me they didn't fight the same.

                  But, anyways back to the question. Ali KO's Wlad, and outboxes Vitaly and maybe even stops him in cuts.

                  I think Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson beats both also...

                  From reports I read short fighters with great head movement always gave Vitaly hell in the gyms...
                  IMO Frazier would be a nightmare for Vitali. He'd be too close all night and the Klitschkos aren't athletic enough to deal with him.

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                  • Jim Jeffries
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                    #239
                    Originally posted by Calilloyd
                    Later in Ali's career he was still beating fighters like Foreman and Shavers. He was never knocked out. You can't compare that to Roy Jones.
                    The same Shavers that was knocked out in the first round, in his prime, by Jerry fricken Quarry?

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                    • Mikhnienko
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                      #240
                      Originally posted by street bully
                      The best heavyweight era ever, the golden years. His resume is also better in terms of quality of opposition beaten than SRR, even though SRR P4P is rated higher for his level of opposition in a quantitative sense.
                      Ali does not have the best resume any weightclass ever, that's absurd.

                      Originally posted by Calilloyd
                      Like I said before, you believing Ali was given a gift decision in the Olympics as well as Roy Jones justifiably being robbed in your eyes is ignorant. That's what is truly amusing. What you posted doesn't change that one bit.
                      Pietrzykowski won rounds 1 and 2, that constitues a win, yes.

                      and what i said was Jones can thank his own country since that b.s. decision was retribution for what they did in '84, all true.

                      All of which your opinion is irrelevant since you never saw the fight or knew anything about '84 before they were mentioned in this thread like 3 pages ago

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