Comments Thread For: The Top 25 Heavyweights of All-Time – Top Ten

[knn]

Ali having "KO footage" over George Foreman equals the whole career of Wladimir Klitschko.

Haha, especially since Ali had no clue what to do and was beaten from pillar to post by Foreman... until the drugging finally set in:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5611639#post5611639

But I agree. The drugged-Foreman-win was Ali's best win. Because Ali scored ONLY ELEVEN KOs (within 12 rounds) in his entire heavyweight career, thus CLAYtons have not much to offer except the Foreman KO. By the way: Ali's greatest achievement was that there was no rematch against Foreman.

[TheGreatA]

Haha, especially since Ali had no clue what to do and was beaten from pillar to post by Foreman... until the drugging finally set in:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5611639#post5611639

But I agree. The drugged-Foreman-win was Ali's best win. Because Ali scored ONLY ELEVEN KOs (within 12 rounds) in his entire heavyweight career, thus CLAYtons have not much to offer except the Foreman KO. By the way: Ali's greatest achievement was that there was no rematch against Foreman.

Are you trying to make yourself look ignorant on purpose? You buy that he was drugged? That speaks for itself.

I had Ali winning on points at the time of the stoppage and so did the judges. Do yourself a favour and actually watch the fight, it was Ali who landed the cleaner punches although Foreman was working more, mostly hitting Ali's elbows and gloves. A brilliant fight by a brilliant fighter.

Ali had plenty of other significant stoppages over Liston, Lyle, Bonavena, Quarry, Frazier, Ellis, Patterson, Folley, more meaningful than both Klitschko brothers' knockouts put together.

Not rematching against a fighter you beat isn't as bad as not rematching against a fighter that beat you. Wladimir never rematched Sanders, who crushed him in 2 rounds. A brother "avenging" your loss doesn't count as a rematch.

[boxingking500]

Are you trying to make yourself look ignorant on purpose? You buy that he was drugged? That speaks for itself.

I had Ali winning on points at the time of the stoppage and so did the judges. Do yourself a favour and actually watch the fight, it was Ali who landed the cleaner punches although Foreman was working more, mostly hitting Ali's elbows and gloves. A brilliant fight by a brilliant fighter.

Ali had plenty of other significant stoppages over Liston, Lyle, Bonavena, Quarry, Frazier, Ellis, Patterson, Folley, more meaningful than both Klitschko brothers' knockouts put together.

Not rematching against a fighter you beat isn't as bad as not rematching against a fighter that beat you. Wladimir never rematched Sanders, who crushed him in 2 rounds. A brother "avenging" your loss doesn't count as a rematch.

your right the klitshkos are horrible fighters, there just straight bums, there horrible

haaahahahha your just pissed that there brothers are dominating...


and why does wlad have to be compared to ali to be a good fighter, your so dumb

[TheGreatA]

your right the klitshkos are horrible fighters, there just straight bums, there horrible

haaahahahha your just pissed that there brothers are dominating...


and why does wlad have to be compared to ali to be a good fighter, your so dumb

Did I say that they were "bums" and horrible? Did you read the post I was responding to? I was responding to a poster who said that Ali was no good compared to the Klitschko brothers. It wasn't me who compared the Klitschko brothers to Ali.

Now next time know what the other posters are discussing about and then respond.

[JAB5239]

your right the klitshkos are horrible fighters, there just straight bums, there horrible

haaahahahha your just pissed that there brothers are dominating...


and why does wlad have to be compared to ali to be a good fighter, your so dumb

Why is it when someone disagrees about a Klitschko one of their delusions fans always come back with "you're just pissed because they're dominating" and spells you're y-o-u-r and they're t-h-e-r-e? Is there an "in defense Klitschko" website where you guys get this stuff.

Both brothers are very good fighters in a horrible era. Don't take it personal, but there have been much better champions than either of them. That said, they'd be a handful for any heavyweight in history.

[knn]

Are you trying to make yourself look ignorant on purpose? You buy that he was drugged?

I buy it. Ali's co-trainer said it, too.

I had Ali winning on points at the time of the stoppage and so did the judges.

Yeah, and the judges had Ali winning vs Norton, too. It has been a long theory of mine that in those days they valued "chin" more than "fists". Until this day this is how US fans see it, I think. That's why they cry out "robbery" as soon as the fight takes place outside of the US. Because Europeans don't fall for this "fists < chin" nonsense. However, don't reply since my statements are a bit offtopic here.

Ali had plenty of other significant stoppages over Liston, Lyle, Bonavena, Quarry, Frazier, Ellis, Patterson, Folley, more meaningful than both Klitschko brothers' knockouts put together.

Thank you for mentioning

• Bonavena (whom Ali didn't manage to KO within 12 rounds. Don't even compare such KO to nowadays KOs.)
• bum-beater Liston (terribly bum'ed up record)
• featherfist Folley
• featherfisted half-blind dwarf Frazier (yes, he was blind on one eye)
• cruiser Quarry (198)
• cruiser Ellis (189)
• cruiser Patterson (188 lbs)

Unbelievable. CLAYtons really think that THESE FIGHTS ARE MORE MEANINGFUL THAN ALL OF KLITSCHKO'S KOS!

It underlines exactly my point: Such fights only impress CLAYtons who loooove to retreat into some delusional past. Wlad would walk through all these opponents you listed.

Moreover you shouldn't have listed them in the first place. Please spare us your favorite cruiser-opponent the next time when you compare Ali to Klitschko.

And can you even imagine the outcry if Wlad would fight

• someone who is smaller than Chris Byrd
• and is a featherfist like Byrd
• and has shorter arms than Byrd
• and is less experienced than Byrd
• and is lighter than Byrd
• and is blind on one eye
• and who knocks down Wlad

(I am talking about Joe Frazier here)?

This would be the final proof of how the division sucks. Yet in the eyes of CLAYtons it's the proof of how great Ali was.

That you list these guys as the heavyweight cream of the 70ies just shows you how crappy the "golden" age was.

Not rematching against a fighter you beat isn't as bad as not rematching against a fighter that beat you.

Yes, this is true. Your best argument.

But let me repeat a previous post of mine: Sanders was Wlad's 43rd heavyweight fight. Ali doesn't even have so many heavyweight fights (Lennox doesn't have so many, too). If you count only real heavyweight fights (both fighters 200+ lbs) then Ali has a record of 28-4. You shouldn't bring up the Sanders fight as a prove for anything regarding Ali.

[boxingking500]

Why is it when someone disagrees about a Klitschko one of their delusions fans always come back with "you're just pissed because they're dominating" and spells you're y-o-u-r and they're t-h-e-r-e? Is there an "in defense Klitschko" website where you guys get this stuff.

Both brothers are very good fighters in a horrible era. Don't take it personal, but there have been much better champions than either of them. That said, they'd be a handful for any heavyweight in history.

why is that the klit-haters always bring up past fighters and compare them to wlad, try to diminish wlad's skills

and about dominating, dont deny it your mad that there beating everybody.. its the truth, dont take it personal

[tuxtucis]

Dear ignorant Klitschko lovers, how can be Wlad Klitschko in top 25 if Ken Norton is 24? Ken Norton was kayoed by the likes of Foreman, Shavers and Cooney, not Puritty, Sanders and Brewster...
Then, when Klitschko was kayoed by Sanders and Brewster was not a boy (18 yo) like Pacquiao kayoed by Torrecampo, but a boxer 26 and 28 years old...
Dempsey would have trashed glass chinned Klitschko as he did with Jess Willard...

[boxingking500]

Dear ignorant Klitschko lovers, how can be Wlad Klitschko in top 25 if Ken Norton is 24? Ken Norton was kayoed by the likes of Foreman, Shavers and Cooney, not Puritty, Sanders and Brewster...
Then, when Klitschko was kayoed by Sanders and Brewster was not a boy (18 yo) like Pacquiao kayoed by Torrecampo, but a boxer 26 and 28 years old...
Dempsey would have trashed glass chinned Klitschko as he did with Jess Willard...

dear ignorant klit-hater

wlad has been dominating all the top heavyweights for years, and has more then made up for his losses

i could go on but your probably just another racist moron, mad that a white guy is dominating the heavyweight division and knocking your "brothers" out 1 by 1,

[knn]

Dempsey would have trashed glass chinned Klitschko as he did with Jess Willard...

Thank you for repeating that nonsense myth that Klitschko has a glass chin.

Idiocies like that are the reason why Wlad's opponents so much focus on "a suspect chin" instead of trying different strategies like going to the body.

If someone has 50+ SOLID wins and 3 defeats then IT'S OBVIOUS that you shouldn't deduct too much from the 3 defeats, especially since 1 was ended because the corner threw the towel (vs Puritty), 1 was a freakish KO (insulin issue) that was brutally AVENGED (vs Brewster) and 1 was a loss against a hard-hitting SOUTHPAW. Instead of the "weak chin theory" you could equally ******ly conclude that Wlad has problems with southpaws.