Mayweather and southpaws..

[Sweet Jones]

The comparison is that Leonard beat Hearns the first time they fought with aggression and ferocity, the second time they fought Leonard was obviously past prime and didn't have that same aggression to overcome the physical disadvantages. Same with Duran beating Leonard the first time, after the first fights Duran didn't have the same hunger, by the third he was past prime and was boxing a longer, faster boxer. Same with Pacquiao, Pacquiao was blitzing people and wasn't afraid to jump on you, by the time the Mayweather fight came on he was tentative and regardless of gameplan he was old, and like I used to argue with other Floyd spastics, obviously that plays more into Mayweather's favor than Pacquiao's.

"IMO", I can't see a more ferocious, fresher Pacquiao not beating the crap out of a more daring Mayweather, and like it was further proven in their dud of a fight, Mayweather has a tendency to fight back after being hurt, in their primes it would be a vicious cycle vs Pacquiao that he wouldn't win.

Had Leonard/Hearns II been scheduled for 15 rounds like the first fight, it would have ended EXACTLY like the first fight. Hearns spent the majority of the 12th round dayum near out on his feet.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm not sure this idiocy even deserves a response. Pacquiao isn't gassing like Hatton and he's not gonna walk into Mayweather in a straight line with no headmovement eating the same right hand over and over. Is it too much to ask on these forums for people to have a little objectivity? That is just downright disrespectful to an ATG.

No offense, but He may be an ATG, but he still drops his hands when he presses for a KO and is not great at cutting off the ring. His problems with counter punchers would still be there 5 years ago.

Having not been KO'd by JMM, its very fair to suggest he would be very agresssive and reckless and Floyd would use that against him.

I would love to have a debate just boxing based. If we can do that, at some point, we need to admit that Floyd has unique attributes at his size and they are hard to overcome.

[Johnwoo8686]

I'm not sure this idiocy even deserves a response. Pacquiao isn't gassing like Hatton and he's not gonna walk into Mayweather in a straight line with no headmovement eating the same right hand over and over. Is it too much to ask on these forums for people to have a little objectivity? That is just downright disrespectful to an ATG.

Dude, he did exactly that against Marquez. Marquez hit him with counter right hands over and over until one finally put him out. That guy was right. A more aggressive Pacquiao eats more punches which is probably why Freddie Roach opted for a less aggressive game plan against Mayweather.

And remember Leonard was getting his ass beat in the first fight with Hearns and turned it around with a flurry in the 14th round. He did the same in the rematch and was able to hurt Hearns but Hearns had adapted since the first fight and didn't get Ko'd. You comparison doesn't make sense.

[SterlingStained]

floyd can be got with a southpaw That has a great right hand.

pacquiao despite his improvements over the years, never really had a great right hand.

[Johnwoo8686]

Had Leonard/Hearns II been scheduled for 15 rounds like the first fight, it would have ended EXACTLY like the first fight. Hearns spent the majority of the 12th round dayum near out on his feet.

Excellent point! The rematch was nearly a replay of the first fight but with fewer rounds.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Do we also all of a sudden ignore the fact that Mosley had Pacquiao missing and resetting? As did Marquez in III, Algieri to a lesser extent, at no point would Pacquiao have had any more success than we saw and it's no knock on him. Mayweather is simply too good at controlling distance and using the check hook to reroute his opponents. Pacquiao would have to be an entirely different fighter to avoid that.

[daggum]

Do we also all of a sudden ignore the fact that Mosley had Pacquiao missing and resetting? As did Marquez in III, Algieri to a lesser extent, at no point would Pacquiao have had any more success than we saw and it's no knock on him. Mayweather is simply too good at controlling distance and using the check hook to reroute his opponents. Pacquiao would have to be an entirely different fighter to avoid that.

did he do that a lot? i remember a couple times that worked but those weren't even punches imo. more like pushes to the back of pac's head. a real check hook would be something that he landed against hatton.

[Doctor_Tenma]

did he do that a lot? i remember a couple times that worked but those weren't even punches imo. more like pushes to the back of pac's head. a real check hook would be something that he landed against hatton.

That doesn't even matter truthfully speaking, it worked successfully enough that it allowed Mayweather to continuously get out of the corner, that in itself diminished Pacquiao's chances even more and it wouldn't have made a difference 5 or 6 years ago. By the way, I agree that some of those were not punches, some were intended to be but it got the objective done.

[The Big Dunn]

there's a reason when even early on in floyds career his dad told his handlers never to put him in with a southpaw. he knows his defensive style doesn't translate when fighting them cause he had the same style himself and knows from experience.

look how judah tagged him at will and forced him to resort to a clottey style defense. that's not gonna work against pac cause we just saw that fight. if floyd really is so great how come he can only fight 1 style of fighters and not southpaws?

Whatever happened to this guy? He clearly DKSAB. I bet he's been crying since Floyd beat Manny.

[joseph5620]

Had Leonard/Hearns II been scheduled for 15 rounds like the first fight, it would have ended EXACTLY like the first fight. Hearns spent the majority of the 12th round dayum near out on his feet.

You beat me to that. Hearns was badly hurt twice in that fight and Leonard threw every punch in the book at him. The poster you're responding to obviously never watched the fight.