Mayweather and southpaws..

[them_apples]

A lot of peeps are going on about Mayweather having incredible defense and Pacquiao won't be able to break it.

Let me say this, If Pacquiao was an orthodox fighter, I'd probably say he'd lose for FMJ. He is however, a southpaw. An orthodox fighter has essentially no chance to beat Mayweather unless they are taller than him and can fire over his shoulder roll. I mean, nothings impossible, but a shorter Orthodox fighter is going to have a damn hard time infiltrating the philly shell. I'm surprised Marquez even managed to land those few rights hands that he did.

A southpaw however, almost completely negates Mayweathers defense. In 2 of the fights he had with southpaws he was stunned in both, and knocked down in one of them. In the Zab Judah fight he was forced to abandon his typical defense and wait for Judah to fade. Reason being, there isn't much point in shoulder rolling a jab, especially if the opponent starts right hooking off the jab (feints).

So really, all Mayweather has in terms of defense against a southpaw is his movement / agility (very good) and a typical high guard that he likes to revert to (works against the southpaws he faced, but Pacquiao?). The pressure Hatton put on him was hard enough, but the pressure of a guy like Pacquiao, a southpaw..could turn things real ugly.

not saying Pacquiao will win, just keep this in mind since a lot of you don't really know how Mayweathers defense works.

[-EX-]

In the Judah fight he changed to a high guard defense and Judah couldn't penetrate it...and Floyd began to back him up and Judah can't fight going backwards...

Floyd doesn't fight every opponent the same...

And don't even bring up the Corley fight...how often do you see Floyd brawl with opponents? And he dominated Corley...

Anyone can get hurt...Pac was wobbled by JMM...

[The Great Shark]

In the Judah fight he changed to a high guard defense and Judah couldn't penetrate it...and Floyd began to back him up and Judah can't fight going backwards...

Floyd doesn't fight every opponent the same...

And don't even bring up the Corley fight...how often do you see Floyd brawl with opponents? And he dominated Corley...

Anyone can get hurt...Pac was wobbled by JMM...

Cosign. His ability to adapt to a fighter in the ring is what keeps him above the rest.

[I'd rather box]

A lot of peeps are going on about Mayweather having incredible defense and Pacquiao won't be able to break it.

Let me say this, If Pacquiao was an orthodox fighter, I'd probably say he'd lose for FMJ. He is however, a southpaw. An orthodox fighter has essentially no chance to beat Mayweather unless they are taller than him and can fire over his shoulder roll. I mean, nothings impossible, but a shorter Orthodox fighter is going to have a damn hard time infiltrating the philly shell. I'm surprised Marquez even managed to land those few rights hands that he did.

A southpaw however, almost completely negates Mayweathers defense. In 2 of the fights he had with southpaws he was stunned in both, and knocked down in one of them. In the Zab Judah fight he was forced to abandon his typical defense and wait for Judah to fade. Reason being, there isn't much point in shoulder rolling a jab, especially if the opponent starts right hooking off the jab (feints).

So really, all Mayweather has in terms of defense against a southpaw is his movement / agility (very good) and a typical high guard that he likes to revert to (works against the southpaws he faced, but Pacquiao?). The pressure Hatton put on him was hard enough, but the pressure of a guy like Pacquiao, a southpaw..could turn things real ugly.

not saying Pacquiao will win, just keep this in mind since a lot of you don't really know how Mayweathers defense works.

I agree. And ***** also has bad habits when facing southpaws. I've watched both the Corley and Judah fights and he makes the same exact mistakes. In fact, I could not believe how often he made the same mistakes round after round.

the problem is, none of those two have ever capitalized on 'em. Hopefully PAC sees 'em. Roach had already spoken about it during an interview, but he didn't specify what they were. So, I don't know if he was seeing the same thing I was seeing. Anyway, I hope PAC can follow the gameplan.

[-EX-]

[QUOTE=I'd rather box;7780254]I agree. And ***** also has bad habits when facing southpaws./QUOTE]

Yet he beat the **** outta both of them...

[I'd rather box]

[QUOTE=The_Executioner;7780292]

I agree. And ***** also has bad habits when facing southpaws./QUOTE]

Yet he beat the **** outta both of them...

It doesn't mean he's comfortable against them. He beat those two because he's head n' shoulders above those two. PAC is a different animal.

In fact, where Judah let ***** off the hook, PAC surely won't. This is what makes this matchup interesting. You have a guy in ***** who showed some signs of vulnerability against a southpaw and PAC, who has difficulty against counter-punchers.

***** hasn't fought a southpaw in years. There's a reason why southpaws are avoided.

It takes more time to figure of 'em out, if this happens to *****, PAC may get a good jump on him on the scorecards and he'll have to play catchup and that's where the danger lies for *****.

If ***** is forced to go on the offensive, more than what he's accustomed to, that may play into PAC's hands, as he has turned into a solid counter-puncher.

[jrosales13]

Is not really the southpaw, I think is more the unorthodox that gives Floyd problem. Honestly he handled Chop chop and Judah. Even though both were southpaws.

But, I never seen Floyd hit as much as when he fought Emanuel Agustus. Even Floyd himself will tell that was his toughest. And, Agustus was landing on Floyd and Agustus is not even a southpaw. But, he was very unorthodox threw punches from weird angles.

I think that is where Pac can have success. Is not only that he is a southpaw but that he also throws punches from weird angles. And, that could give Floyd problems.

Also the volume punching could possibly give Floyd problems. The last time he fought a volume puncher was probably Castillo. And, before Castillo it was Jesus Chavez. Chavez threw 100 punches in a few and had success with that style. Castillo had success with his volume punching, pressure, and body punching.

Those are things were Pac is good at also. There are things that Pac brings that could give Floyd hell. Possibly even beat him. The southpaw thing is just a minor. Floyd could handle southpaws. But, is the southpaw plus everything elst that Pac brings that could give him the victory over Floyd. And, also Floyd does a lot of things great that would make him beat Pac. That is why is such an intruiging fight to me.

[LilFloyd]

Cosign. His ability to adapt to a fighter in the ring is what keeps him above the rest.

a little preview of what will happen when old shane gets his hands on loud mouth floyd lol

[daggum]

there's a reason when even early on in floyds career his dad told his handlers never to put him in with a southpaw. he knows his defensive style doesn't translate when fighting them cause he had the same style himself and knows from experience.

look how judah tagged him at will and forced him to resort to a clottey style defense. that's not gonna work against pac cause we just saw that fight. if floyd really is so great how come he can only fight 1 style of fighters and not southpaws?

[Measy1749]

there's a reason when even early on in floyds career his dad told his handlers never to put him in with a southpaw. he knows his defensive style doesn't translate when fighting them cause he had the same style himself and knows from experience.

look how judah tagged him at will and forced him to resort to a clottey style defense. that's not gonna work against pac cause we just saw that fight. if floyd really is so great how come he can only fight 1 style of fighters and not southpaws?

well manny looks wayyyy worse against counterpuncher/boxers than floyd ever did against southpaws. so really what's your point??the same could easily be said for manny and the reason rouach hasnt put him in the ring against a real boxer/counterpuncher since jmm.