HORUS PRESENTS: WHY NoW???

[BuckToothed]

Enough of the childish analogies. Talk boxing.

Wheres the proof?

He passed the 50+ drug tests required for all his professional fights.
You would need to argue that PROOF is flawed, like saying Mosley also passed, but then again, you would need to explain how Mosley's case is the same as Pac... Pac is not on a list somewhere that he is receiving PED supplies.

[koboy]

He passed the 50+ drug tests required for all his professional fights.
You would need to argue that PROOF is flawed, like saying Mosley also passed, but then again, you would need to explain how Mosley's case is the same as Pac... Pac is not on a list somewhere that he is receiving PED supplies.

Don't sweat it, man. This case has already been dismissed. So need to argue anymore. Case closed.

See my sig.

[Horus]

Why after all these years of tolerating and accepting the commission drug testing rules has the Mayweather decided that now is the time to deal with steroid and ped‘s usage in boxing?

Here is the answer.

The threat is real.

1. The quest for an Advantage

As the effects of Steroids & PED's continued to be debated, One outcome that the history of PED's and Steroids in sports today has given us is that as long as the REWARD out weigh the RISK in terms of taking and using Steroids & PED's versus the punishment.

They are going to be people who take them to get the advantage.
Having the advantage in professional sports is close to a unmeasurable variable that can only be weigh by it's risk/reward benefit.


*This is why you see, athletes working out and preparing in the OFF-season when they should be resting and recovering from the regular and post season. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes battles the elements of high altitudes, cold winds, hot temperatures, and etc. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes separate themselves from their spouses and children during intense training because for them they need all the focus they can get in order TO GET A ADVANTAGE

TO GET A ADVANTAGE is how drugs like steroids and PED's, creeps into the equation. Although the users out there whose intent maybe harmless, the ramifications
however of their actions in some cases are criminal.

2. Ordinary athletes to Extraordinary athletes


In theory, the people who are seeing the most rewards from using ped's & steroids. Are already extraordinary athletes when comparing them to the entire population. Less than a percent of a percent of a percent of people in the world are actually talented enough to participate in professional sports.

Meaning they are extremely gifted already, as a result if someone where to add power, speed, or endurance to an already extremely gifted athlete.
What you now have is not just an improved athlete, but in some cases in deadly weapon.

Imagine adding power,speed,and endurance to a athlete like a young Mike Tyson, Barry Bonds, Adrian Peterson, Lebron James, Marion Jones, etc, etc.

The the ramifications of what these kind of athletes could do to their opponents in the arena of competition should be unthinkable. However, due to the high usage of these drugs in this era we now understand. That PED's and steroids in majority of these cases work. Not only do they work, the turn ordinary athletes to extraordinary athletes. Furthermore, they turn once formidable competition into in boxing terms "sparring partners."

What makes this problem so serious is that the drugs that the users are now taking can not be detected with announce testing in majority of the cases.

examples: Mark McGuire, Marion Jones, Shane Mosley, Jose Canseco.
All known drugs users, however none of them ever tested positive for a drug test.

This is why there does not need to be no proven link between a positive test with steroids and PED's before we can have legitimate concerns about who could be possibly using these drugs. Such as the argument for Manny Pacquiao.

We as sports fans need to recognize that sports would improved and become is a lot safer place if athletes with the talent of Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather are denied such advantages that PED's and steroids can offer through the actual threat of being caught through complete random drug testing.Then the REWARD would not be worth the RISK of being caught .

3. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now?
And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are.

The question still remains, Why Manny Pacquiao?

Why ask for this new drug testing for this fight and not previous fights?

Simple.

Effective change in drug testing is impossible without effective precedence followed by even MORE effective momentum.
Put simply, the world of boxing would know that a new era has began when it come to better drug testing because the 2 bigger stars in the sport had made serious part of the fight.

As would be the case with Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

Do some research.
Anytime there is change people will always ask why now?
And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are.

So instead of asking why now?, how about asking why not now?

Please read POINT #3 AGAIN ...

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Please read POINT #3 AGAIN ...

horus when are you gonna provide circumstantial evidence, hard evidence, or any kind of evidence that pac used steroids?

[Horus]

horus when are you gonna provide circumstantial evidence, hard evidence, or any kind of evidence that pac used steroids?

read my second too last post

[BuckToothed]

I dont have any proof to show hes guilty.

Now do me a favor and show me how he is innocent.

You are sending us back to the cotton fields with your mentality.
It's a shame that people like you exists, you need to give it a rest.

[.PrettyBoy32.]

read my second too last post

You may aswell be talking to a wall with him brah

[DonTaseMeBrah]

read my second too last post

horus please stop it & provide evidence. i & a lot of people have answered your points already.

Ive posted several times already & did not get a response from you.


Stop beating around the bush & please provide this circumstantial evidence you speak of.

[Horus]

horus please stop it & provide evidence. i & a lot of people have answered your points already.

Ive posted several times already & did not get a response from you.


Stop beating around the bush & please provide this circumstantial evidence you speak of.

Circumstantial Evidence

• Head within the span of 3 years got bigger just like bonds, Mccgwire, etc
• Increase his speed and power as he moved up in weight in a span of 2 years.
• Knock out ratio went up as he went up in weigh and as he got older instead of going down
• Turned down 40 million dollars, with 5 different explanations none which made sense.
• Sued Mayweather, but not Cintron, Campbell, Paulie, and others
• etc.

All these are circumstances to have one logically to believe this is why Manny might be using PED's and therefore Refuse to take a random drug test before fighting Mayweather.

That is just some of the circumstantial evidence that have me questioning the Pacman usage of PED's.

Like I said before we do not have no evidence that he has taken PED's because he has never taken a test that could detect PED's.
once again there is no edvidence that Manny is juicing, except for circumstantial evidence. Which in any court in America if argue correctly can get you verdict of guilty.


I do not understand throwing anyway 40 millions dollars because of a random drug test.


So IMO, Pacquiao has done this to himself, Not Floyd,Not Me, and not others who now have questions about his career.

Reread, P4P opinion

Arguing circumstantial evidence is like putting pieces of a puzzle together.
knowing all along this your puzzle can never be fully complete because you do not have all the pieces which is hard evidence, something tangible or Indisputeable.

So therefore you put the puzzle together the best way you can hoping at the end of your argument the puzzle will still be able to produce a picture
even though it is missing pieces.

btw,
I am playing Modern Warfare 2 so forgive me, for being late to respond.

[Horus]

You may aswell be talking to a wall with him brah

i think these guys are getting circumstantial evidence confused with hard evidence