HORUS PRESENTS: WHY NoW???

[Horus]

Boxing as a sport certainly needs better testing. The current testing requirements are lightyears behind most other high profile professional sports. The absolute answer to 'why now?' though is that Floyd Mayweather Jr wants a psychological advantage over an opponent who is a real threat. If you seriously believe the Mayweather party line that he is interested in cleaning up the sport, then you are as gullible as a child. Mayweather is interested in himself and the advantages he can get. As a master of psychological warfare, Mayweather realises that round zero can be very important and getting Pacquiao to back down to new sanctions on the back of wild accusations gives an early advantage. I seriously doubt that Mayweather actually believes that Pacquiao uses PEDs.

Pacquiao has every right to be offended by the accusations and feel unwilling to back down to sanctions that are not imposed upon other fighters. Pacquiao is in an impossible situation if he wishes to actually fight Mayweather. To not make the fight happen on principle raises su****ion, however unfair this su****ion may be, but to make the fight happen he gives Mayweather the early advantage unless he can be mentally strong enough to shake it off.

the key word i got out of this post was "Advantage". and I address this in my post.

let i said before,

Why after all these years of tolerating and accepting the commission drug testing rules has the Mayweather decided that now is the time to deal with steroid and ped‘s usage in boxing?

Here is the answer.

The threat is real.

1. The quest for an Advantage

As the effects of Steroids & PED's continued to be debated, One outcome that the history of PED's and Steroids in sports today has given us is that as long as the REWARD out weigh the RISK in terms of taking and using Steroids & PED's versus the punishment.

They are going to be people who take them to get the advantage.
Having the advantage in professional sports is close to a unmeasurable variable that can only be weigh by it's risk/reward benefit.


*This is why you see, athletes working out and preparing in the OFF-season when they should be resting and recovering from the regular and post season. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes battles the elements of high altitudes, cold winds, hot temperatures, and etc. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes separate themselves from their spouses and children during intense training because for them they need all the focus they can get in order TO GET A ADVANTAGE

TO GET A ADVANTAGE is how drugs like steroids and PED's, creeps into the equation. Although the users out there whose intent maybe harmless, the ramifications
however of their actions in some cases are criminal.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

there is no such thing as a 40 million dollar drug test. stop parroting a pathological liar.

If you believe there is a 40 million dollar drug test you are a ****king ****** & gullible child.

[Glamour Puss]

I am all for improved measures, but let the commision to their job.

That is something Bill Clinton would say....

[Horus]

cir·cum·stan·tial (sûr'kəm-stān'shəl)
adj.

1.

Of, relating to, or dependent on circumstances.
2.

Of no primary significance; incidental.
3.

Complete and particular; full of detail: a circumstantial report about the debate.
4.

Full of ceremonial display.

cir'cum·stan'tial·ly adv.


I would like to know what this circumstantial evidence is horus?

Circumstantial Evidence

• Head got bigger just like bonds, Mccgwire, etc
• Increase his speed and power as he moved up in weight in a span of 2 years.
• Knock out ratio went up as he went up in weigh and as he got older instead of going down
• Turned down 40 million dollars, with 5 different explanations none which made sense.
• Sued Mayweather, but not Cintron, Campbell, Paulie, and others
• etc.

That is just some of the circumstantial evidence that have me questioning the Pacman usage of PED's.

Like I said before we do not have no evidence that he has taken PED's because he has never taken a test that could detect PED's.
once again there is no edvidence that Manny is juicing, except for circumstantial evidence. Which in any court in America if argue correctly can get you verdict of guilty.


I do not understand throwing anyway 40 millions dollars because of a random drug test.


So IMO, Pacquiao has done this to himself, Not Floyd,Not Me, and not others who now have questions about his career.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

there is no such thing as a 40 million dollar drug test. stop parroting a pathological liar.

If you believe there is a 40 million dollar drug test you are a ****king ****** & gullible child.

Why is everything name calling and immaturity with you? Floyd called it a 40 Million dollar dug test because if he takes Pac gets paid.

[Spray_resistant]

Horus, the fact you have to consistently make tedious elaborate threads to some how justify Floyd's ducking proves your insecurity and at the same time loyalty to your one true love.

I really think that if Pac was not such a serious threat to the guy who's photo you most certainly have under your mattress, you too would be praising him.

[Guest]

Horus, the fact you have to consistently make tedious elaborate threads to some how justify Floyd's ducking proves your insecurity and at the same time loyalty to your one true love.

I really think that if Pac was not such a serious threat to the guy who's photo you most certainly have under your mattress, you too would be praising him.

I don't mind the threads sometimes, but why is it the same topic every week?


Pac is a threat. A threat who never failed a post-fight drug test.

[carts]

stop crying until the commission made OST the official WAY of drug testing for Boxers until then this is BS!

[DonTaseMeBrah]

the key word i got out of this post was "Advantage". and I address this in my post.

let i said before,

Why after all these years of tolerating and accepting the commission drug testing rules has the Mayweather decided that now is the time to deal with steroid and ped‘s usage in boxing?

Here is the answer.

The threat is real.

1. The quest for an Advantage

As the effects of Steroids & PED's continued to be debated, One outcome that the history of PED's and Steroids in sports today has given us is that as long as the REWARD out weigh the RISK in terms of taking and using Steroids & PED's versus the punishment.

They are going to be people who take them to get the advantage.
Having the advantage in professional sports is close to a unmeasurable variable that can only be weigh by it's risk/reward benefit.


*This is why you see, athletes working out and preparing in the OFF-season when they should be resting and recovering from the regular and post season. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes battles the elements of high altitudes, cold winds, hot temperatures, and etc. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes separate themselves from their spouses and children during intense training because for them they need all the focus they can get in order TO GET A ADVANTAGE

TO GET A ADVANTAGE is how drugs like steroids and PED's, creeps into the equation. Although the users out there whose intent maybe harmless, the ramifications
however of their actions in some cases are criminal.

Answer;

wait a second, i thought oscar was sooooo shot & weight drained that essentially anybody could have knocked out & dominated the oscar that faced pac. i mean nobody gives credit to pacquiao on that one. at least the *****s. how many times have i read that anybody could have beaten the oscar that showed up that night.

ricky hatton? i thought ricky hatton was washed up? i thought fraud jr. "cracked" hattons chin? i thought fraud jr. already showed the "blue print" to beat hatton.

miguel cotto? is this the weight drained by 2 lbs cotto? is this the same damaged goods cotto by margarito's plaster?

what now joshua clottey? i thought joshua clottey was one dimensional & easy work for pacquiao?

what gives? why do you pac haters act like pac is really doing something special here? They are all crap wins & not that hard to do right? Who needs steroids to do those things?





pacquiao has slowed down. featherweight pac is much faster than welterweight pac. the only difference is he's facing welterweights. there's a clear difference when you watch featherweight pac shadow boxing vs welterweight pac;

watch the first minute of this video showing pac shadow boxing in the park;



compared to the welterweight version now;



its clear that his speed has gone down. its just that he's fighting heavier guys so naturally he's gonna be faster because he has fast hands & the fact that he's from a lower weight class.




1. james toney started at 160 now knocking guys out at heavyweight
2. hector macho camacho started at 130. knocked guys out at 135, 140,147,154, & 160.
3. roberto duran started at 118 knocked guys out at 135, 147, 154, 160, & 168.
4. tommy hearns started at 147 knocked guys out at 154, 160, & 175 hell tommy even knocked guys out at cruiser weight.
5. vinny pazienza started at 135 knocked guys out at 140, 147, 154, 160,168.
6. mickey walker started at 147 ended up knocking out heavyweights......


motherfvkers i could go 20 deep with the list of guys who went up in weight & were successful & knocked guys out!

THERE IS NO 40 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST. Not only has pac passed all required test his sport's ruling commission requires him to HE AGREED TO THE EXTRA TESTING THAT FLOYD ASKED.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE DISAGREEMENT OF THE CUT OFF DATE.

As for the ko going up, i disagree. He ko'd diaz because of accumulation, same thing with oscar, & cotto. Clottey went full 12 rounds without a scratch on his face while surviving 1200 plus punches.

If pac was on steroids & his power,speed increased according to *****s, how come he didnt spectacularly ko clottey?

By my final count, only hatton has been KO'D cold by pac since pac was moving up in weight.

As for the body/& limbs dismorphic accusation, i have already debunked this ***** propaganda ;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=343902

[Horus]

Horus, the fact you have to consistently make tedious elaborate threads to some how justify Floyd's ducking proves your insecurity and at the same time loyalty to your one true love.

I really think that if Pac was not such a serious threat to the guy who's photo you most certainly have under your mattress, you too would be praising him.

Really?

is this your response to my thread about "why now".
You could not challenge yourself intellectually to combat my argument with one of your OWN??/

instead you reply with insults and name calling, spray_resistant you are real close to getting on my ignore list. for reason of not adding anything to the discussion. I at least respect JACK,DONTtashmebruh, and the other pac fans who try and debate their reasoning instead of waving the white flag and start name calling..

grow up dude.